mike i too have one of the balistic roll crimpers i got it for the 8 ga and it does a pretty good job..ive gotten better at roll crimping but every once in a while i still make a mess of it...my old hand rolling crimmper for a 12 ga does a good job on plastic but not so good on my paper shell they shoot ok but are not as nice lookin as i would like for them to be... charlie
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