Use crow dekes and somedove dekes for Barn Pigeons- feeding on spread cow poop in the snow- but I think- Model 12 weather here- let you know later- a 3" 12 Elsie and a "Black Duck"--sorts like bowling with a wrecking ball, but lotsa fun-and agree 100% with brother lester- no better target awing that a crow--but why stop at just one??