William I did some fall Steelhead fishing on a cast and blast weekend a couple of years ago. The fish were on their beds but wouldn't take a spawn bag, spinner, crawler nothing. After several hours of only antagonizing the fish I thought I'd pester the Grouse and Woodcock. No birds were flushed after a couple more fruitless hours in Natures Grocery Store. I went back to the truck frustrated and empty handed....then the light came on and I put the 20GA 8's back in their box loaded my pocket with 6's.....and went fishing