Impeccable thinking Rich. Although, a cold beer can be a steamy beverage here. Academic for me at the moment - Doc says leave it all alone for the next while - i.e. as long as warfarin is part of the daily diet. Gosh, what to do with a winter's supply of ol' John Barleycorn and some of his Scottish relatives? I don't have a picture of a 16 0 frame, where do you find that??