Jay , I am sure you have had success with this ,but in our neck of the woods ,only a week or so into the season and we are hunting Pheasant also ,a real mixed game bag , and I just never felt the need for the very fine shot . I have a Male Britt ,that just loves Woodcock ,and seems to point them from a mile away ,there are areas where I hunt that the only bird in the covert will be Woodcock , at one point I owned a OO Frame 28 Ga. w/ a set of Briley 410 tubes and I would take ,the little " 410 " ,the only way ,I will probably ever own one !! A box of # 8's ,my old Dog Chip ,and head out for Woodcock and just make the Woodcock areas my hunt for the day ! A good time was had by all ,and the # 8's worked just fine ! The other truth is ,I never get that much shot into my Grouse ,that I have to worry about excessive mutilation !

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