Thirty years ago my sons and i paced off the distance to fallen woodcock, average of 13 yards. Grouse found in the same areas 20 yards. We went to spreaders and found much more success. Afternoons in the old orchards 25 to 30 yds with ic and mod. Your milage my differ. All in western Maine, most if not all in typical thick cover, some spruce, lot of alder.Number 8 mornings 6 afternoon in different cover. But the most important thing is how you point the gun not what is in it.
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