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George M. Purtill 10-15-2012 11:37 AM

Skeet and 16 gauges
 
I am doing some side research for an article and was wondering when the 16 gauge came and went as a skeet gauge?
Was it ever an official skeet gauge?
Does anyone have any references that I can read on this subject?
The Parker Skeet gun was offered in a 16- did it ever stop being offered in that gauge?

Dean Romig 10-15-2012 12:51 PM

I don't recall the date or even the year but the 16 gauge was officially dropped from the official skeet gauges. Bill Murphy might be a good source of information on that topic.

Chuck Bishop 10-15-2012 12:54 PM

George Purtill, I'm trying to get in touch with you. Send me your phone number on an e-mail to pgca_research@comcast.net

George M. Purtill 10-15-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Bishop (Post 82885)
George Purtill, I'm trying to get in touch with you. Send me your phone number on an e-mail to pgca_research@comcast.net

Sounds like I'm getting called to the Principal's office.

Chuck Bishop 10-15-2012 01:54 PM

George,

I just called your number and you didn't answer. I'm starting to get an inferiority complex:shock: Maybe a ruler over the knuckles would do the trick!

All kidding aside, I left a voice mail on your cell phone and home answering service (I hope it was correct)

Brian Dudley 10-15-2012 02:27 PM

My guess would be that the dropping of the 16g. from the skeet format, might coincide with when manufacturers stopped offering 16g. guns new. Not sure of the time frame of that though.

Bill Murphy 10-15-2012 03:27 PM

Without going through my complete research file, here is the quick answer from some early rule and average books. In the beginning, skeet was not classified by gauge or skill classification, (up to and including the January 1, 1933 rules). The first step was to classify by shot weight, (January 1, 1934 rule and average book). The heaviest weight was 1 1/4 ounces. Any gauge could be used. The next weights or categories were 1 ounce, then 7/8, then 3/4, then 1/2. Oddly NSSA allowed any gun to be shot if the load was adhered to, except that no 1 ounce 12 gauge load was mentioned on the "shot load table". The 1934 shot load table addressed shells by brand and type, reloads were not addressed. The next several steps, don't know exactly when, were changes in shot weight to 1 1/8 ounces, and the change of the heaviest shot weight class from 1 1/4 ounce class to "All Bore", which meant any gun but limited to 1 1/8 ounces. All-Bore class takes us all the way to post war times. The 16 never had a named class and the 16 gauge gun was shot in the All-Bore class, and the 12 gauge class today, because no gun bigger than the 20 can be shot in the 20 gauge class. Dick Shaughnessy actually won the All Gauge National Championship with a 16 gauge Model 21 in that era. In my years of collecting skeet memorabilia, I have not owned or seen a 1935 or 1936 average or rule book, so on to 1937. By 1937, shot load named classes 1 through 5 have been changed to All-Gauge, Twenty Gauge, Smallgauge, and Sub-Smallgauge. Shot loads are assumed to be 1 1/8, 7/8, 3/4, and 1/2. Yes, I said "assumed" because the rule book does not say a thing about shot weights. By this time, our friend William Harnden Foster has had his name removed from the NSSA masthead, but NSSA still works out of Foster's offices in Boston. Nothing much happens in the years leading up to and immediately following the war. No letter classifications by average or skill level are mentioned until the 1954 average book, and then only the All Gauge class was mentioned. The average books were very difficult to decipher because after the mid thirties, the rules were not included. Even in 1954, the first mention of letter classes by average, the class table, if it existed, was not posted in the book. All information I have included is from official NSSA publications, but is not assumed to be complete. In my experience, the missing years of 1935 and 1936 can be explained by the inclusion of the monthly NSSA news in the National Sportsman magazine, William Harnden Foster's outdoor publication. However, it is just too difficult to search all of the thirties National Sportsman magazines for tidbits of NSSA rules information. Go for it if you want. I hope this helps with your research.

Dean Romig 10-15-2012 04:27 PM

Thanks very much Bill... I knew you would have some pertinent information.

As we all know, Foster died in 1941 while at a field trial in CT - Were the NSSA headquarters still in his office even after his death?

George M. Purtill 10-15-2012 05:01 PM

Thanks Bill- you are Murphy-pedia. Dean was right.

George M. Purtill 10-15-2012 05:02 PM

Bill- so when did 16 gauge become un-invited to the competition? If you know off-hand.


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