Anyone use Holland & Holland light loads
 

Curious to see if anyone had information on these, I came across a flat of these and several boxes of Westley Richards awhile back. Not sure about pressures or how they would compare to RST. Any info would be great!
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Are they proprietary loads put up by Lyalvale for gunmakers?

Probably thirty years ago now, McIntosh sent me a flat of Lyalvale Express 20-gauge 2 1/2-inch 3/4-ounce shells, for my input for his Fox book. which to me were as good as it gets in a light, short chambered, 20-gauge double. I found similar loads by Gamebore much harsher.

For some reason I feel like those shells are worth some coin….

I don’t know who made them, I’ve seen the Hollands at Classic shooting supply when they were open.

I have no idea how they compare to RST ballistically re: velocity or pressures, but have shot both loads out of my 1891 Royal Grade H&H 12 bore. The gun is chambered for 2 1/2" and proved for 1 1/8 oz. but I limit whatever I shoot to 1 oz. maximum in deference to its 131 year-old wood. I will say that the "Light Load" is very nice for sporting clays and that the WR "Game Load", even though only 1/16 oz. heavier, produces slightly more recoil and noise. I enjoy shooting both and my gun "likes them" so there is no downside except for availability. The sub- 1 oz. loads put up in 2 1/2" with high-antimony shot and felt wadding made a believer out of me on my 2 trips to Scotland shooting driven birds; they are more than effective on duck and pheasant.

I believe they are the Lyalvale Express shells that McIntosh spoke very well concerning (headstamp says "L-express"). I have a flat of 1 1/16 oz. nickel plated 7 WR that I bought years ago to shoot in a tight choked Husqvarna. Used them at a tower shoot and was amazed at how hard they hit the birds. I have not shot them in any of my short chambered guns since then because I could not find any pressure information for them.

If these shells are sold in the UK, they have to be CIP compliant. They probably aren't as low pressure as RSTs.

Ken

Have you tried emailing WR themselves ? In my experience they dont mind trying to answer any questions.

Milton, I think I’ll send them an email.