Latest observed 0 frame 16
 

I have observed that, below sn 200K, Parker 16's are about half 0 frame and half 1 frame. After 200K, all I recall are on 1 frames. What is the latest folks here have observed?

The latest I recall is 183238 . The next question is why and my theory is they determined the 0 frame was a bit small and they got better at making 1 frames lighter, but who knows.

And since everyone loves pictures . . . Here is one from the 150K sn range:bigbye:

My personal 16 gauge research collection shows that 0 frame and 1 frame 16s are generally the same weight or close. One of my 1 frame 16s was made with a 00 frame stock, probably to arrive at a 6 1/4 pound weight without using a 0 frame.

I have noted that too. A recent 1 frame VH with 26" barrels handles better than most of the 0 frames I have

This sounds like a good exercise for another entry to "Parkers Found."





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I was thinking the same thing. I actually checked Parkers Found to see if there was an entry

This may be covered in Parker's 102 but how would one determine which stock size was used? Is that based on the buttplate or other measurements.

Mills, I'm interested in this. BTW, like Bill, I have found little predictability in the weight of 16s based on frame size. BUT, a 0 frame feels better in the hand to me (and I do a lot of carrying).

I have four 16s from the 1920s (200XXX range). They are all 1 frame guns. One weighs 6 lbs. 11 oz., one is 6 lbs. 10 oz., the third is 6 lbs. 5.6 oz., and the last one is 6 lbs. 10 oz.

I have 3 hammerless 16s from the earlier period you cite. Two are 0 frame guns, and the third is one a 1 frame.

I have two hammer 16s built on frame lightened 0 frames, but I assume you are not interested in these.

Thanks Garry! And sorry I missed you at the Southern, but that is easy to do at that event . . .

Are any of your 0 frames later than 183238?

Weights, factors determining weight and hammer guns might be good fodder for a future survey. To me, the narrower, more svelte 0 frames just look better

No 0 frames from later that 183238, but one of the 1 frame guns is in the 124XXX range. I can look up the exact serial numbers if you like.

You may be on to something...keep at it.

Aaron, buttplate size is definitely a criteria, as well as stock depth and width leading up to the buttplate. I know no one measures these dimensions, but they are different in different guns. A "clue" leading me to this conclusion is that my little #1 frame DHE 16 has a buttplate smaller than on either of my .410s. That DHE 16 #1 frame weighs 6 pounds, 4 ounces with 28" barrels.