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John Davis 01-06-2020 11:24 AM

Off Topic Question
 
Not Parker related but I'm asking anyway. If you had a 12 gauge double barrel Ithaca Flues, circa 1921, that was in excellent shape, would you feel safe shooting 2 3/4 dram equivalent shells off the shelf? If so, how about 3 dram equivalent? Thanks, John

Dean Romig 01-06-2020 11:48 AM

Not at the traps but I definitely would in hunting situations.





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todd allen 01-06-2020 12:00 PM

I'm not an Ithaca expert, but from what I've heard, the Flues was not as robust as the NID, and should be limited to low pressure loads.
That said, I wouldn't want to shoot hot loads in any classic SxS. Not that 2 3/4 Dram is necessarily hot.

John Davis 01-06-2020 01:00 PM

Was considering her for a doubles trap gun. Configured perfectly but I'm worried about the ammo.

Craig Budgeon 01-06-2020 05:12 PM

Fleus actions are weak, that is one of the reasons for the development of the NID.

Bill Murphy 01-06-2020 05:53 PM

I think the Flues problem with frame breakage is mostly confined to smallbores, not 12 gauges. However, no Flues would be my first choice for an ATA doubles gun. More parts are available for Parkers and Foxes. I would use a Model 21 for doubles.

Jean Swanson 01-06-2020 06:11 PM

John

I did not like Dean's reply----there is NO difference between trap & field, over load is over load. My suggestion is to stay away from an Ithaca with s/n less than 400,000--- flues models.

There are plenty of guns out there that will fill your needs----be patient.

Your conservative friend from VT
Allan

Dean Romig 01-06-2020 08:01 PM

My question then is are the loads John made reference to considered to be “overloads” for a 1921 12 gauge Ithaca Flues?





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Brian Dudley 01-06-2020 09:38 PM

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Why Flues models got a bad name in regards to not using the correct loads.

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Garry L Gordon 01-06-2020 09:47 PM

I don't recall the thread, but just recently Dave N. (Researcher) noted the change in weight of Flues models over the time of their production. According to him they beefed up (my words, not his) the frames and corresponding overall weight of the later Flues models. I don't note this as a reply to the original question, but just for reference. I see no reason to tempt fate with loads that may damage an old double.


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