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Reggie Bishop 07-23-2019 08:21 AM

Interesting BHE 20
 
You don't see many Grade 5 20s for sale.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101263129

Josh Loewensteiner 07-23-2019 09:28 AM

Extremely interesting gun. I am very close to a BHE 16ga 0 Frame 28" Damascus ordered by the same person on the same day. Hegeman was well known to Parker Bros. He ordered the very first A1 Special they made in the 125k SN range among other great Parkers. He was the son of the founder of Metropolitan Life Insurance Company so money wasnt an issue.

The 30" Acme barrels are a real puzzle. I would appreciate feedback from the peanut gallery on what happened. They appear factory fit.

Brian Dudley 07-23-2019 09:50 AM

That IS a nice B grade!

Dean Romig 07-23-2019 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Loewensteiner (Post 277862)
Extremely interesting gun. I am very close to a BHE 16ga 0 Frame 28" Damascus ordered by the same person on the same day. Hegeman was well known to Parker Bros. He ordered the very first A1 Special they made in the 125k SN range among other great Parkers. He was the son of the founder of Metropolitan Life Insurance Company so money wasnt an issue.

The 30" Acme barrels are a real puzzle. I would appreciate feedback from the peanut gallery on what happened. They appear factory fit.


As I recall Acme Steel made its appearance in 1905 (134229 was an A5 12/30). This gun is a 1905 (130114) gun and up until Acme barrels appeared if you wanted a fluid steel barreled Grade 4 or 5 you got Titanic Steel barrels, hence the TI5 listed in the Serialization book. Or maybe the gun was made with Titanic barrels and the Acme barrels are an unrecorded factory addition

Further, the legend on the top rib is not roll-stamped, but is engraved (not uncommon on grade 4 or 5 Parkers with unusual barrel steels).

Further, the "replacable wear plate" is original to the barrels and is the pre-1910 flat top style, not the "shouldered" post-1910 design, and is not a re-fitted early style on a post-1910 set of barrels.

I guess it's anyone's guess about the Acme Steel barrels but my guess is that they are original to the gun.




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Ted Hicks 07-23-2019 04:57 PM

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[QUOTE=Dean Romig;277880]4 Further, the "replacable wear plate" is original to the barrels and is the pre-1910 flat top style, not the "shouldered" post-1910 design, and is not a re-fitted early style on a post-1910 set of barrels.



Dean - I've been curious about this modification and hope it's okay to ask here. Is the replaceable wear plate that you refer to the piece that the red arrow is pointing to in the photo below? It's a "T-Shaped" piece that is fitted and pinned in place?

What an awesome gun. I bet it's a joy to carry and shoot.

Dean Romig 07-23-2019 05:01 PM

Yes Ted, that’s it.

Invented and patented 10/25/1910 by James P Hayes who was responsible for several improvements to the Parker gun.





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edgarspencer 07-23-2019 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 277880)
As I recall Acme Steel made its appearance around 1903, if I'm not mistaken. This gun is a ca. 1905 gun and up until Acme barrels appeared if you wanted a fluid steel barreled Grade 4 you got Titanic Steel barrels, hence the TI5 listed in the Serialization book.

Further, the legend on the top rib is not roll-stamped, but is engraved (not uncommon on grade 4 Parkers with unusual barrel steels).

Further, the "replacable wear plate" is original to the barrels and is the pre-1910 flat top style, not the "shouldered" post-1910 design, and is not a re-fitted early style on a post-1910 set of barrels.

I guess it's anyone's guess about the Acme Steel barrels but my guess is that they are original to the gun.

This gun is a Grade 5, not a Grade 4.
I know a guy who sold a Grade 5 20ga, albeit with 28" barrels, to pay for his daughter's Masters Degree.:banghead:

Garry L Gordon 07-23-2019 05:29 PM

What a nicely configured gun. Reggie, you should buy this one! I'd try, but my wife would shoot me with the "last" Parker I purchased. :rotf:

Dean Romig 07-23-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 277888)
This gun is a Grade 5, not a Grade 4.
I know a guy who sold a Grade 5 20ga, albeit with 28" barrels, to pay for his daughter's Masters Degree.:banghead:

I know of a guy who’s initials are WHF who sold his AHE .410 to finance his kids’ education.





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Reggie Bishop 07-23-2019 06:26 PM

Garry I would love to own that one!


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