Live Pigeon Guns
 

Yesterday drove to Big Timber and Grand Hotel to meet friend from Livingston Area for lunch and see several of his Live Pigeon Guns. He recently returned from World Shoot and is returning to Europe again in October for another shoot. He brought two B-25 Pigeon Brownings both are Midas Grand and one was double trigger built (I think in 2011) both with 30 inch barrels. The other gun is a Rizzoni side by side with 30 inch barrels with a custom order rib the kind I'd never seen. Please forgive me as I try and describe it, the rib narrows and sinks deeper between the barrels as it gets the closer to the muzzle. I have little knowledge concerning Italian Guns, he has ordered the second gun matching this one with double triggers.

When your friend offers these guns for sale, get back to us.

What are the attributes that make a B25 a live bird gun?

https://i.imgur.com/vAinvZ1.jpg

Long barrels?
Tight chokes?
Trap like patterns?
Modest weight versus target weight?
Field dimensions?

Please, do tell.

Ya, ya, I know.
It’s not Midas grade.

My Peruvian buddy in NOVA tells me one is better with shorter barreled gun for Colombaire something from possibly 27-29 inches . The little I’ve seen of box birds it seems to me a 30-32 inch trap doubles gun would be fine . I’ve shot both with the same DH 32” 2 frame no safety gun . My Peruvian buddy also says M or even IC for the first barrel at Colombaire .

An older friend of mine used a plain Jane 30”
Citori with the barrels worked on by Ken Eyrster. Said he won money at John Malloys in NC with that gun.

His guns are all custom orders from the manufacture to his specifications.

Ed that wouldnt be a retired dentist that also lives in Manakin Sabot would it ?

This sounds like a Perezzi MX8 bunker gun (except there IS a safety). Flat shooting, 29.5" barrels, bottom with a choke tube top fixed F or XP. I have a hot ass for one of those. Saw one recently for sale and it was perfect and fit me, just didn't have that kind of cash in my front pocket...

My Peruvian buddy also told me do not take a gun with a movable safety into a big shoot in Europe or South America and set it in the rack as one of your fellow competitors will move it . You need a gun with no safety be it from the factory that way or either removed or locked down .

That warning should go for any gun in any competitive event. The person moving the safety to the safe position is usually the airhead that owns the gun.