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Dave Noreen 07-30-2023 09:06 PM

8-gauge Ammunition
 
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From my years of observation, it appears to me that Remington ARROW shells are far and away the most common North American 8-gauge shells we see.

The last Remington catalog I've found to offer loaded 8-gauge shells is the 1918-19 The Remington Arms Union Metallic Cartridge Co. Inc. catalog. The 1923 Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalog still offers 8-gauge NPEs. However, the bulk of the 8-gauge ammo I see offered in sporting collectibles auctions is Remington Arms Co., Inc. which would make it from late 1920 onwards, some even after 1934 with the DuPont logo on the labels --

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charlie cleveland 07-31-2023 12:04 AM

boy I had several boxes at one time of these same marked shells...but there now gone down the road...charlie

John Albano 07-31-2023 08:32 AM

I bet they would have dispatched the neighbors cat.

CraigThompson 07-31-2023 03:00 PM

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I only have one original 8 gauge box and it came with over half the shells . I bought it because the load was a little out the norm for an 8 and right up my alley !

Craig Larter 07-31-2023 03:36 PM

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Here's the 8ga box I would like to find one day.

Dave Noreen 07-31-2023 04:44 PM

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In the first years of the 20th Century Union Metallic Cartridge Co. had two high brass shells, TRAP with the flat base wad for bulk smokeless powders and ARROW with a high base wad for dense smokeless powders. For 1905 UMC began offering an ARROW shell for bulk smokeless, but the 8-gauge loads were still in the TRAP shell --

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The EXPERT was the NPE equivalent to the loaded TRAP shell --

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By the 1907 UMC catalog the TRAP shell is gone. While the TRAP shell is in the 1906 catalog, the pages are X'ed out in the copy I have access to.

Dave Noreen 07-31-2023 05:02 PM

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The only 8-gauge box of ARROW shells from the Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. era (1911-16) I've gotten pictures of has the Rem-UMC over ARROW head-stamp and the REMINGTON-UMC canular at the top of the brass --

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The only 8-gauge shell in my collection is of this type. I was a teenager when while visiting Minnesota my uncle took me to the old "Stagecoach" restaurant/gun museum/gun shop and they were selling individual shells out of a box of 8-gauges.

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Some years ago one of the Lein boys was selling a dozen loaded and ten empty 8-gauge shells stamped KLEANBORE on the sides. KLEANBORE priming was introduced to Remington shotshells in the 1931-2 time frame --

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Craig Larter 07-31-2023 05:13 PM

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And then there is Winchester Leader

Dave Noreen 07-31-2023 06:25 PM

Sweet!! I knew Winchester loaded 8-gauge shells, but your box is the first I've seen. Just looking in my 1916 Winchester catalog and load 86BB listed at $71 per thousand.

Also, I see Winchester offered their 8-gauge LEADERS loaded with either bulk or dense smokeless powders. UMC/Remington only offered their 8-gauge shells in black and bulk smokeless powders.

CraigThompson 08-01-2023 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noreen (Post 392774)
Sweet!! I knew Winchester loaded 8-gauge shells, but your box is the first I've seen. Just looking in my 1916 Winchester catalog and load 86BB listed at $71 per thousand.

Also, I see Winchester offered their 8-gauge LEADERS loaded with either bulk or dense smokeless powders. UMC/Remington only offered their 8-gauge shells in black and bulk smokeless powders.

Did Winchester load 8’s in the Nublack or Repeater varieties ?


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