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Channing Will 06-23-2022 03:50 PM

#3 Frame Numbers
 
Are there any factory records indicating how many #3 frame Hammerless guns were manufactured?

Randy G Roberts 06-23-2022 04:07 PM

Unfortunately no.

charlie cleveland 06-23-2022 04:50 PM

lots of 3 frame 10 ga s made in the thousands.....in the other ga s not to many....charlie

Mills Morrison 06-23-2022 10:18 PM

Most 10 gauges are 3 frames. 12 gauge 3 frames are underrated and rare. Maybe we should do a survey or list of known 3 frame 12 gauges sort of like the 1/2 frame list

Dean Romig 06-24-2022 06:23 AM

I have a 2-frame 10 gauge.





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Chuck Bishop 06-24-2022 08:22 AM

Frame sizes are only listed in the last few stock books.

charlie cleveland 06-24-2022 05:36 PM

I have a 3 frame 12 ga and a 2 frame 10 ga...charlie

CraigThompson 06-24-2022 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 366472)
I have a 2-frame 10 gauge.

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I believe I have two frame 10s in both hammer and hammerless . I know Ive got three frame 10s in both as well as hammerless 12s .

Milton C Starr 06-24-2022 06:32 PM

I have wondered before if Parker Bros had decided to advertise frame sizes/options if today we would have seen a higher number of peculiar configurations.

Dave Noreen 06-24-2022 07:59 PM

I think Mills is overstating it that 3-frame 12-gauges are rare! They are certainly less common than 1-, 1 1/2- & 2-frame 12-gauges, but far from rare.

Mills Morrison 06-24-2022 08:14 PM

I’ve got two 2 frame 10 gauges

Destry L. Hoffard 06-24-2022 08:41 PM

I have one and owned another for a short time, they aren't common.

Mills Morrison 06-24-2022 08:46 PM

I would not mind having one or two more 3 frame 12 gauges.

I don’t find the 2 frame 10’s to be much different from the 3 frames.

CraigThompson 06-24-2022 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mills Morrison (Post 366538)
I would not mind having one or two more 3 frame 12 gauges.

I dont find the 2 frame 10s to be much different from the 3 frames.

I have a 2 frame EH that left the factory at 28 thats a bit different and a Grade 1 (I think) top lever that if memory serves is a 2 frame with 26 and 30 barrels . Theyre both kinda neat with the short barrels .

Dave Noreen 06-25-2022 12:51 PM

Parker Bros. did so many weird & wonderful things with all their various frame sizes with weight and balance. My 1889 2-frame 12-gauge weighs a fraction of an ounce over nine pounds with very straight barrels with virtually no swamp. My grandfather's 1890 3-frame 12-gauge weighs several ounces less with barrels that swamp in very quickly.

Craig Larter 06-28-2022 02:43 PM

3 Attachment(s)
They are deadly on ducks, top gun is Mark Kircher's DHE 3 frame 32" and the bottom gun is my 3 frame DHE 30" Second picture is my DHE 3 frame. third picture is my CHE 3 frame 32"

Garry L Gordon 06-28-2022 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 366765)
They are deadly on ducks, top gun is Mark Kircher's DHE 3 frame 32" and the bottom gun is my 3 frame DHE 30" Second picture is my DHE 3 frame. third picture is my CHE 3 frame 32"

You guys have me hooked on the 3 frame 12. Keeping my eyes open for one.

Jay Oliver 06-28-2022 02:49 PM

I have a 32" 3 frame 12 lifter with check hook barrels that weighs 10 lbs. I would like to find a hammerless 12 3 frame as well.

Randy G Roberts 06-28-2022 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 366765)
They are deadly on ducks, top gun is Mark Kircher's DHE 3 frame 32" and the bottom gun is my 3 frame DHE 30" Second picture is my DHE 3 frame. third picture is my CHE 3 frame 32"

Very nice sampling of 3 frame guns for sure Craig. I am especially partial to that 32" CHE. Very nice indeed.

Harry Gietler 06-28-2022 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Channing Will (Post 366440)
Are there any factory records indicating how many #3 frame Hammerless guns were manufactured?

There must of been a lot of them made in 12ga., because I have seen
a good number of them at gun shows over the years. Just a overly
''HEAVY'' gun that Duck hunters must have liked! And I also believe that the fellows
that ''Think'' their ''Rare'' are the fellows that Own Them!

Harry

Craig Larter 06-28-2022 06:39 PM

Harry you obviously know what your talking about thanks for the insight.

CraigThompson 06-28-2022 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 366777)
Harry you obviously know what your talking about thanks for the insight.

A different approach than I was thinking :rotf:

Mills Morrison 06-28-2022 07:21 PM

I sure hope there are a lot of them, because I would love a few more

CraigThompson 06-28-2022 07:59 PM

I have a set of twist 32 3 frame 12 gauge barrels with the original forend as well . They were to be fitted to my EH 3 frame just never kinda got around to it . Besides the extra barrels I only have two 3 frame 12s . Had another that was DH with factory original 28 flat rib barrels , always thought that one would make a fair to middling Turkey Gun but my personal war against gobble birds ceased years ago .

Bill Holcombe 06-29-2022 09:41 AM

Have a 3 frame 10 that is also a 3 frame 12. Gun was 9lbs even with either set of barrels.

charlie cleveland 06-29-2022 03:43 PM

I like the sound of your 10 and 12 ga gunin the same gun....charlie

Bill Holcombe 06-29-2022 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie cleveland (Post 366847)
I like the sound of your 10 and 12 ga gunin the same gun....charlie

It's a fun gun on ducks or trap. It even has the old style round knob like the hammer guns had.

Bought it here on the forum bought 6 or so years ago.

Randy G Roberts 06-29-2022 03:56 PM

Speaking of 3 frame guns this one recently popped up on GI. She's gonna need some attention.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101986964

Craig Larter 06-29-2022 04:06 PM

Oh boy Randy that's a project for sure. Thanks for posting.

Mills Morrison 06-29-2022 04:20 PM

I saw that one. I wish the guy had posted a photo of the barrel lug to confirm it is a 3 frame. If I were not digesting some other stuff, I would be interested.

Arthur Shaffer 06-29-2022 11:16 PM

The only 12 I own is a No. 1 frame, so I have no horse in that race. I will say that I own three 10 gauges. Two of them are lifters, an 1880 Grade 3 on a 3 frame and an 1874 that is essentially the same grade on a 2 frame. Both are 30" barrels, but coudn't be more different. The barrels of the 1880 are marked as a little over a pound more than the 2 frame, and they happen to be exactly a pound apart in struck weight. There is a full 2 pounds difference in total weight. The 2 frame is 7# 11oz and the 3 frame is 9# 12 oz. The 3 weight feels more substantial, but handling is not much different due to weighting. They are both lively guns, even with the difference in weight. Conversely, the later hammerless gun with 32" twist barrels weigs to the ounce the same as the 3 weight lifter (9# 12oz) but feels absolutely pondorous and swings like an oil tanker, all due to weight distribution based on barrel striking and stock density.

I am of the opinion that frame size is likely the least important factor, as far as weight and handling, as opposed to barrel weight and profile and stock weight. The actual weight of the frame varies only a few ounces across normal sizes and it is centered between the hands. The real difference is the larger heavier stocks and barrels hung on the larger frames. I have noticed this with other makes too. LC's and Daly's come to mind.

Mills Morrison 06-30-2022 10:09 AM

There are lots of factors for sure

Harry Gietler 07-06-2022 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigThompson (Post 366778)
A different approach than I was thinking :rotf:

GO Ahead and tell ME what your ''APPROACH'' was that you were ''THINKING''

Harry

CraigThompson 07-07-2022 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry Gietler (Post 367300)
GO Ahead and tell ME what your ''APPROACH'' was that you were ''THINKING''

Harry

I wouldn't try to appease you thats for sure .

Bill Murphy 07-07-2022 02:36 AM

The well used gun that Randy linked is probably not a #3 frame, but a #3 grade. It is a mistake often made by sellers who don't know Parkers so well. Anyone feel like checking it out? My nine pound three frame 28" 16 gauge is a strange one for sure and honestly a rare gun, but I consider it a shooter, not a collector.

Mills Morrison 07-07-2022 01:12 PM

The ad also says the barrels were "wire wheeled" I moved on at that point. I also doubt it is a 3 frame

Bill Murphy 07-07-2022 06:30 PM

Mills and I think alike. Not a #3 frame.

Harry Gietler 07-07-2022 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 367345)
Mills and I think alike. Not a #3 frame.

IT'S A #1 FRAME GUN !

Harry


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