#3 Frame Numbers
Are there any factory records indicating how many #3 frame Hammerless guns were manufactured?
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Unfortunately no.
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lots of 3 frame 10 ga s made in the thousands.....in the other ga s not to many....charlie
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Most 10 gauges are 3 frames. 12 gauge 3 frames are underrated and rare. Maybe we should do a survey or list of known 3 frame 12 gauges sort of like the 1/2 frame list
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I have a 2-frame 10 gauge.
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Frame sizes are only listed in the last few stock books.
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I have a 3 frame 12 ga and a 2 frame 10 ga...charlie
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I have wondered before if Parker Bros had decided to advertise frame sizes/options if today we would have seen a higher number of peculiar configurations.
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I think Mills is overstating it that 3-frame 12-gauges are rare! They are certainly less common than 1-, 1 1/2- & 2-frame 12-gauges, but far from rare.
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I’ve got two 2 frame 10 gauges
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I have one and owned another for a short time, they aren't common.
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I would not mind having one or two more 3 frame 12 gauges.
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Parker Bros. did so many weird & wonderful things with all their various frame sizes with weight and balance. My 1889 2-frame 12-gauge weighs a fraction of an ounce over nine pounds with very straight barrels with virtually no swamp. My grandfather's 1890 3-frame 12-gauge weighs several ounces less with barrels that swamp in very quickly.
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They are deadly on ducks, top gun is Mark Kircher's DHE 3 frame 32" and the bottom gun is my 3 frame DHE 30" Second picture is my DHE 3 frame. third picture is my CHE 3 frame 32"
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I have a 32" 3 frame 12 lifter with check hook barrels that weighs 10 lbs. I would like to find a hammerless 12 3 frame as well.
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a good number of them at gun shows over the years. Just a overly ''HEAVY'' gun that Duck hunters must have liked! And I also believe that the fellows that ''Think'' their ''Rare'' are the fellows that Own Them! Harry |
Harry you obviously know what your talking about thanks for the insight.
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I sure hope there are a lot of them, because I would love a few more
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I have a set of twist 32” 3 frame 12 gauge barrels with the original forend as well . They were to be fitted to my EH 3 frame just never kinda got around to it . Besides the extra barrels I only have two 3 frame 12’s . Had another that was DH with factory original 28” flat rib barrels , always thought that one would make a fair to middling Turkey Gun but my personal war against gobble birds ceased years ago .
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Have a 3 frame 10 that is also a 3 frame 12. Gun was 9lbs even with either set of barrels.
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I like the sound of your 10 and 12 ga gunin the same gun....charlie
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Speaking of 3 frame guns this one recently popped up on GI. She's gonna need some attention.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101986964 |
Oh boy Randy that's a project for sure. Thanks for posting.
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I saw that one. I wish the guy had posted a photo of the barrel lug to confirm it is a 3 frame. If I were not digesting some other stuff, I would be interested.
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The only 12 I own is a No. 1 frame, so I have no horse in that race. I will say that I own three 10 gauges. Two of them are lifters, an 1880 Grade 3 on a 3 frame and an 1874 that is essentially the same grade on a 2 frame. Both are 30" barrels, but coudn't be more different. The barrels of the 1880 are marked as a little over a pound more than the 2 frame, and they happen to be exactly a pound apart in struck weight. There is a full 2 pounds difference in total weight. The 2 frame is 7# 11oz and the 3 frame is 9# 12 oz. The 3 weight feels more substantial, but handling is not much different due to weighting. They are both lively guns, even with the difference in weight. Conversely, the later hammerless gun with 32" twist barrels weigs to the ounce the same as the 3 weight lifter (9# 12oz) but feels absolutely pondorous and swings like an oil tanker, all due to weight distribution based on barrel striking and stock density.
I am of the opinion that frame size is likely the least important factor, as far as weight and handling, as opposed to barrel weight and profile and stock weight. The actual weight of the frame varies only a few ounces across normal sizes and it is centered between the hands. The real difference is the larger heavier stocks and barrels hung on the larger frames. I have noticed this with other makes too. LC's and Daly's come to mind. |
There are lots of factors for sure
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The well used gun that Randy linked is probably not a #3 frame, but a #3 grade. It is a mistake often made by sellers who don't know Parkers so well. Anyone feel like checking it out? My nine pound three frame 28" 16 gauge is a strange one for sure and honestly a rare gun, but I consider it a shooter, not a collector.
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The ad also says the barrels were "wire wheeled" I moved on at that point. I also doubt it is a 3 frame
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Mills and I think alike. Not a #3 frame.
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