Gunbroker PHE 20 ga Parker # 330906492
 

I looked at the pics of this PHE and if I'm not mistaken, does it look like the barrels have been sleeved?

Allen, check post from a couple days ago on PHE 1892

Thanks George, I missed that one but agree with all the comments on that gun. What a mess. The seller has an obligation to full disclosure and didn't. Buyer beware

Out of curiosity I checked the Gunbroker status. This gun is now up to $2,150 with less than an hour to go in the auction.

More people bidding on it. I can't imagine why. There must be something about it that really turns some people on.

If this one is selling for so much, then I can't imagine why the sleeved DH on there with the gold and fancy engraving has not sold. ??? Hummm

Maybe they're bidding on it because there's no reserve, and the wood probably looks good to the uninitiated (except upon close examination) and they don't realize its sleeved etc etc. Who knows...

What do you mean by "sleeved"? Are you refering to the barrels? I don't see anything in the photos. Guessing I don't know what I am looking for. Thanks
Gerald

Gerald, if we're lookinbg at the same gun, there is a faint line around the barrels just about 3-4 inches forward of the breech end. THat would indicate the barrels have been sleeved,

sleeving is a process where the exisiting barrels are cut off ahead of the chamber area, after the ribs are saved if reusable. this mono block is opened up and a new set of tubes are inserted into the old piece and the ribs are relaid.

the joint is the line referred t above.

Looks like it sold for $2,125.00

He is the customer hundreds of internet sellers have been waiting for. I hope there is some misrepresentation in the ad that will allow the buyer to recover. Obviously, he is not a reader of this forum.

I think if I remember correctly, the gun was sold as is with no refund or exchange. :rolleyes:

Not surprising, is it, and it suggests the seller might have known more about this gun's condition than he was willing to declare in the posting

Well I believe the ad lists a very low number of PHEs being made, this making it super rare or something. The number did not sound rich to me.

I was at a local gun auction a few weeks ago and I swear people were loosing their minds based on what the prices were. I told myself that next time there was a Saturday auction, I might consign a few guns. I am talking some guns selling for double what they were worth, or that you could buy almost anywhere.

In 1974, while working at Oswego College in upstate NY, I went to the Rochester Gun Show and took along with me an original (wish I had it now) Sharps Creedmoor 50 cal. rifle in excellent all origional condition. Needless to say the Sharps sold within a very short time for $1K cash. So, I'm walking around the show with a wad of cash in my pocket and I spy a nice clearly refinished 12 ga Parker VH for $400. It looked so good I bought it from the guy who said absolutely nothing to me. I get home and I'm looking at the barrels and see a faint line about 3-4 inches forward of the breech. I take it to my local gunsmith in the Oswego area and show it to him and he says "it's been sleeved Allen" and then explains what this means. Buyer beware. While I felt a bit ripped off, I also felt guilty that I didn't look it over more closely and ask the guy what those fine lines meant, so it was my fault too. I learned a good lesson and eventually traded the gun for something else. The buyer knew the gun was sleeved and had no issue with it in the deal.

Went to an auction a few years ago where a fellow paid about $1,600 for a decent extractor SW with about 25% case color. Gun was a 12 gauge and overpriced by at least 30 percent or more. Saw the fellow later and he actually asked me if I thought he got a good deal. I told him if he was happy with the gun he should be happy with he paid. Some folks just don't know what the real market is. He was paying 20 gauge money for a 12 gauge gun.

Brian, the price would not have been "rich" if the gun were a 20 gauge PHE as advertised. However, it was not.

I more just mean people paying more than something is worth, real or not. I just wonder what happened here. With that many bidders, I would think that a few knew something about Parkers. And if most were newbies with money wanting a Parker, then there are others out there for less that are better guns. Who knows...

some times a bidder will get into his head im gonna own that gun or car or whatever and dont care care if they pay way over whatsit is worth...i ve done this myself a few times have nt yall... charlie

I don't think they guy got a great deal but I also don't think he could have bought a proper PHE 20 for that money, either. As it is, he is shooting a 20 ga Parker (of sorts) for $2G or so which is better than a lot of other things I can think of.

He's apparently a dealer and has to resell it. Judging by the 14 pages of other items he has bought recently, he is not a shotgun person. One thing the 14 pages proves, he has plenty of money and a heck of a building to put his stuff in.

I think that is a lot of it. A dealer knows that there is money in some Parkers so they figure they can't go wrong. At the last local gun show I had a guy show me a Trojan that had a lot of issues and wanted me to make an offer. I did not want to at first and I told him so. After telling me I would not hurt his feelings I offered him my price and of course he didn't like it. Believe me... It was an appropriate offer for the amount of work would have been needed to be done on the gun to make it right.
Anyway, the next morning, I saw it sitting on another dealers table. I can only imagine what was paid for it.

Well, we all know that dealers are also some of the most prestigious collectors, too, so it is possible the gun was bought for his private collection.