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What Happened to The Parker .410 At Auction post ?
Here we go again ! ... This is ONLY MY OPINION , so take it for what it's costing you ...
Deleting a post that announces the availability of a Parker .410 at some gun auction is at best, a big overreaction ... I'm sure that whoever posted the announcement didn't intend to break the rules governing this PGCA website ... He was only trying to HELP the PGCA membership locate a highly coveted Parker .410 ... How in God's name can the announcement some gun auction be interpreted as the offering of a gun for sale by anyone ? ... As members of the PGCA, we're told that the BOD of the PGCA fears that the ATF and or the FBI will will come down on the PGCA for offering guns for sale without an Federal Firearms License ... Well, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, the BOD of the PGCA probably wouldn't, interpret the announcement of some gun auction as the PGCA offering guns for sale without an FFL ... And I'd bet the farm that EVEN the ATF and the FBI certainly wouldn't interpret the announcement of a some gun auction as the offering guns for sale by the PGCA either ! Unless, of course, the Obama Tribe has declared Marshall Law or has repealed our God given, First Amendment right of free speech while nobody was looking ! ... So why in God's name was the post announcing a Parker 410 at some gun auction removed from the PGCA website ? Respectfully ... Jim Kucaba ... ZriZOOna Cactus Patch ... Email: JimKucaba@aol.com __________________ |
I asked John in advance if it was OK to post the notice about the 410...but after it was up a couple of days and had zero replies, comments....I figured I must have offended the group so I pulled it off. Check Charlton Hall Galleries.
December auction. |
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Jim Kucaba ... AriZOOna Cactus Patch ... Email: JimKucaba@aol.com |
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Couldn't be righter. That may be the only thing you said that I agree with. |
Hi Kent!!
I think the reason folks didn't answer your post is because they didn't want others to notice it, so we had the "inside line" on the bidding :) But now you've done it - I'll be bidding against at least Jim and Bruce.. :) Dang... Seriously - there is no problem at all posting up firearm at auctions and such, as I mentioned in my PM to you when you asked me if it was OK... Kent - my best to you! John |
John, I'll bow out in your favor.
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Bruce - I don't think you have to bow out, as my maximum bid is less than my shoe size, for I'm saving up for a DH 20GA with 24" barrels, round knob grip, etc.. - but I'm unable to divulge who the present owner is.... ;)
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[QUOTE=John Dunkle;7806]Bruce - I don't think you have to bow out, as my maximum bid is less than my shoe size, for I'm saving up for a DH 20GA with 24" barrels, round knob grip, etc.. - but I'm unable to divulge who the present owner is.. John, I am sure a certain USAF Col (Ret'd?) might appreciate that fact- that has to be a very rare 20 bore with original 24" factory barrels- special order perhaps- I recently bought another older quality American Boxlock 20 gauge- with 26" barrels- 6 lbs. DT- beautiful balance- but I can't imagine anything shorter- on my 12's 28" is the minimum--wonder if Parker also produced any 28 and or .410 bores with factory order 24" barrels? And the supposed 28 gauge Trojans that Peter Johnson mentioned- any way of knowing if any of those scarce Parkers might have that 24" barrel length???:bowdown:
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Francis,We know of factory documented 24" 28 gaoge guns. I never looked for 24" .410's though.
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Not a Parker but it has 24" barrels and weights 4 1/2 lbs. Shot my first double on Grouse with it.
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The back pages of Vol II TPS contain a table listing all known 24" guns.
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If there is a demand for a 24" .410, someone will probably have one at some auction house any day now.
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[QUOTE=Bill Bolyard;7813]Not a Parker but it has 24" barrels and weights 4 1/2 lbs. Shot my first double on Grouse with it. Thanks Bill- a 28 gauge hammer double?? What make and vintage, if you don't mind the ??-:cool:
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Francis,
It is a 1890 McNaughton with steel barrels that was reproofed in 2000. Chocked skeet and IC. Bill |
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Francis, here is a few more pics
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Just for the record, the decision of the BOD of the PGCA has nothing to do with the ATF, FBI, FFL, CIA, CDC, IRS, IRA, FHA, SBA, NSA, NBA, SEC, NFL, etc., etc., etc..........
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John,Could you enlighten us? Maybe it would cease all the controversy...:)
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Come on John this might be fun.......:corn:
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Ok BOD, inquiring minds want to know!
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I'd add links to all my posts on the subject, but frankly - even I've grown weary reading all the posts I've have posted about it - except for this post, which I will read (and probably edit ;) )..... John |
Kind of funny how a post about an auction took a turn for the worst...:duck:
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John,I just read your link.That pretty much spells it out. Thank You for the link....:)
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In fact - here are the crib notes.... 1) Kent PMs me to ask if it's OK to let folks know.. I PM Kent "You bet!!!"; 2) Kent posts his post... 3) No one replies to Kent's post... 4) Kent thinks he's done something wrong since no one answers - and EDITS his post... 5) Jim thinks there is a "plot against the CZAR" or something - and posts about the BATF, ATF, Interpol, whatever... All I know is it has NOTHING to do with WHY Kent edited his post...?? 6) Many folks realize that a mistake was made - post back along OTHER lines of subject areas (great pics, Bill..!) - which I too enjoyed... 7) Much later - John posts refuting the original post - which brings back into play Jim's first post, which most folks have already bypassed, as this thread took on another subject... 8) Dave asks John to define the BOD view - which he did when this happened (AGAIN, for the "first time") this day (it's a daily event..)... 9) John (<--"me") starts getting e-mails and PMs - like I'm the one who posted Jim's or John's note... 10) I'm still getting PMs and e-mails - and again, like this AM, have to ADMIN yet ANOTHER thread... 11) Several folks keep posting back in THIS thread - so I'm STILL getting e-mail/PMs... 12)... Well - there is no twelve. But, it's only late afternoon.... Ever seen a good deed "gone bad"? Start reading this thread from page #1 - post #1...... There - those are the crib notes from just this thread.. :eek: Want me to document the others over JUST THE LAST FEW WEEKS??? :shock: :banghead: :rotf: Carry on...... John |
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I posted a non Parker in a Parker thread trying to throw you all off. I thought you guys would at least reprimand me!:nono: I could see the obvious direction this thread was headed for.:banghead: John, Sorry I tried. Bill |
OK..To get somewhat back on track here.I just checked Volume 2 of "The Parker Story" and there are 26 28 gauge guns listed with 24" barrels.That number kinda amazed me..:eek: And there are exactly 0 .410's with 24" barrels in fact anything other than 26" barrels is pretty rare in .410
Lets stay here for awhile...OK? |
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Jim Kucaba ... AriZOOna Cactus Patch ... Email: JimKucaba@aol.com |
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You can COUNT ME OUT! ... The selling price would be way beyond my ability to pay. Jim Kucaba ... AriZOOna Cactus Patch ... Email: JimKucaba@aol.com |
John you can bid on the 410 as Bruce isn't a small bore fan.
As far as allowing us to post guns for sale....wouldn't it be easier to just allow it?:duck: |
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;) How's the hunting season coming for you? Haven't seen too much in the hunting forum from you - so you better post up there what you've been up to...!!! Best to you Rich! John |
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Good job Dave ,Are the Remington 410's in that # also ?
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'John',
Where do I get a copy of that book? |
After reading John's post and the related history of recent other posts, I get the impression that we can inform other posters, by word or link, of the availability of Parkers for auction. I am less sure that we can inform members of Parkers for sale by individuals or dealers. For instance, can we post "Charleton has a .410 in their December auction."? Can we post "Jack Puglisi has a bunch of eight gauges on his website."?
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John,
All the profits from my new book will go to support orphaned A1, BHE, CHE, DHE, VHE's and members of the PCGA that are afflicted with the dreaded "one is not enough Diseases". You do look very dapper on the cover. Bill |
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Can we inform other posters, by word or link, of the availability of Parkers for auction? My opinion as the Admin: Yes.... Can we inform members of Parkers for sale by individuals or dealers. My opinion as the Admin: Yes.... Can we post "Charleton has a .410 in their December auction."? My opinion as the Admin: Yes.... Can we post "Jack Puglisi has a bunch of eight gauges on his website." My opinion as the Admin: Yes.... The *only thing I ask* is this (not directed to Bill - but to all).... Please, remember that I'm "Switzerland" in all this - and if I ask you to "tone down" anyone's critique of ANYTHING for sale - that you please respect where I am coming from, OK? As many of you know - if I have an issue with one of your posts, you'll know privately. What I don't want to see is "pig piling" on a new Member or a new site visitor or a dealer or.. well, whatever.? While I've been accused recently of posting "polite BS" - I don't believe being polite in any post is ever BS - just the way I was raised and taught, as it were. I rather - believe - we are responsible for our actions and our posts - both individually and collectively. So - Bill, the answer is "yes"... Please do post them up, OK? As for Lee's reply - still looking for a publisher ;) And to Bolyard - I think I have that exact disease.. PLEASE FAX ME SOME MONEY for the cure.. Good news is - that little 410 is only a VHE and Bruce will be doing the bidding/buying/paying for me.... Carry on, John |
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