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reversed chokes
Guys, I bought one ot those brass choke gauges from Galazan. I checked my VH and found that the right barrel was 1/4 choke? (which is between mod & ic) the left barrel is ic. Is this common or did I get hosed on this gun! I have checked my other guns, all of them have choke tubes. I was surprised that a couple of the aftermarket and factory tubes were a size off.:eek:
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Ron,You must remember that choke is the relationship of bore diameter vs. final constriction. An example would be a 16 gauge bore of .662 with a final constriction of .657 the choke would equal .005 or"skeet". The brass choke gauges just cannot tell you that. A good bore mike is really the way to go for many reasons. Sorry..:)
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Hi Ron!
Not necessarily (did you get "hosed")... I'm a bit suspect about the gauge itself when your screw chokes aren't matching? As well - while chokes are a lengthy topic - the correct way to measure constriction on fixed choked guns (Parkers) is best done with a bore dial gauge like this: http://www.intlmidway.com/intl/eprod...eitemid=225330 It will tell you constriction to the bore, choke length, etc. And frankly - I use one on all my Parkers (you can also get some idea if the tubes have been cut down, looking at the length of run on a choke)... While not an average "home owners" item, most good shops and smiths will have one and be pleased to help you out. It only takes a minute or two... Hope this help, John |
If you hunt ducks over decoys you might want the chokes reversed...
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Without a gauge you really don't know what you have; you simply can't know the constriciton with just the brass gauge. With that said some very fine driven pheasant guns will have the right choke tighter because the birds are incoming. I have a 7 pin sidelock like that which was built for a member of a European Royal family and now resides humbly in my game/gun room.
I also had a 12 gauge 1929 Parker that I undestood was Skeet out (tighter) right barrel and skeet in (more open) in the left barrel. I was told it was built that way because in gun down as oppose to pre mounted skeet the first shot on doubles is farther away because of the time necessary to get the gun mounted and the second in comer is closer. If your gun is original this could be the reaso. Other possibilities are that someone was happy with the right barrel choke but thought the left was too tight and they just went a little farther than one might expect when they opened the left barrel. I know of a Belgian gun where this occurred. Also as noted above it is possible someone wanted it that way for decoying birds. Trigg |
thanks for all the info, I guess I need to do the work and get some butcher paper and pattern it to see what its really doing!
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One other possibility is that a left hander ordered the gun and reversed the chokes. In the past year, I've had a lefty DHE 16 and a lefty A grade Fox 16. Chokes reversed and in both of these guns, so were the triggers.
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There has been a reasonably priced DH #1 frame 12 gauge with 30" barrels around here and the right barrel is tigh and the left is open! I did not notice if the triggers were reversed for a left handed shooter...
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I have a damascus DH 12 1 1/2 frame that is cylinder left/full right and letters as original. It was built for a pro shooter and appears to be for a right handed shooter. I thought at first someone opened up the left barrel.
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I have a 12 ga DH damascus with 30" barrels choked L=full, R=mod. The gun was ordered by and shipped to a gentleman in NYC who owned a rather large sporting good store. Before he passed Oscar Gaddy suggested that the gun was ordered specifically for watefowl.
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I have a GHE 20 skeet gun, single trigger that has the chokes reversed. Why is anyone guess, I just shoot the left barrel first and don't give it another thought.
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Bob Brown is the only poster who says that the Parker Brothers records confirm that the reversed chokes were bored that way at the factory. Any other guns mentioned could have been bored out by the corner gunsmith and probably were. If in doubt, order a PGCA letter and see if the factory bored the chokes in reverse order. I have at least one gun that was ordered that way, but it is rather unusual. One poster implies that his two guns were choked backwards and also that the triggers were backwards. Does he mean to say that a left hander pulls the triggers back to front or that the triggers on his two guns were merely bent opposite of the standard way rather than made so the front trigger fires the left barrel? I know of only one Parker built so the front trigger fires the left barrel. Does Rich's gun have the IN and OUT on the wrong side? Which barrel is OUT and which barrel is IN?
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No--those left hand guns were mine. They were true lefty's! The front trigger was on the left side of the trigger plate and fired the left barrel. The back trigger fired the right barrel. The triggers were not bent.
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Guys I had the gun checked by a gunsmith today, right barrel was .008 IC and left barrel was .003 skeet. I highly doubt is was factory in my case.
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I came across this old thread and wanted to add I have a Parker Bros/Remington GHE Skeet (st grip, btfe, sst, marked skeet in and skeet out) 12ga with reversed chokes, left is Skeet In, Right is Skeet out. Scott Kittredge has a VHE 12ga Skeet 108 numbers apart from my gun and his is also skeet in left and skeet out right. I thought this was normal for the "Skeet" guns?
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Pete, It would make sense to choke true skeet guns in this manner in view of the fact that the first target called for is station 1 high house 'skeet out' and as with most situations with a double with two triggers, the foreward trigger is for your first shot and the right barrel... (Am I making my thinking clear on this theory?) ...and the second shot - rear trigger, left barrel consequently would be 'skeet in'...
By the way, my SKEET-ER is choked in this manner in both sets of barrels - rt. tight - left open - and it has a Miller SST Anyone? . |
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