quicestion about a beretta
 

Gentlemen,
I recently saw photos of a sxs Beretta the owner claims to be a model 405. A beautiful hammer gun of high quality in 32 gauge. He claims the gun as a custom order and one of a kind. The gun has a gold crown on the lever and three gold l's above the saftey. Has anyone seen or know of this model or have an idea whom I might talk with that can point me in the right direction.

Thanks to all.
John

Never seen a 405 ???

John, I hate to be a dunce but what direction are you looking for? Are you wanting to purchase the gun and want help and advice in making an informed buy? Are you just curious about the 32 gauge as to shells available? Are you looking for a similar gun and not necessarily that particular one?

I have never seen a Beretta Model 405 either. My brother has an older Model 410 in 10 gauge 3 1/2 inch that is a beautiful gun to shoot. We occasionally shoot skeet with it and enjoy it very much.

Dennis

I have a friend looking to buy this gun and he had asked me about it and showed me pictures. I also read other forums of people looking for the same info. Gotta be on the same gun. Price offers are all over the board so just looking to see if anyone might have info. It is a nice hammergun.

Thanks.

john if your friend wants that gunreal bad and can afford it i say go for it... charlie

I know exactly what your saying but there is a hell of a swing in price here. Like $30,000. I dont know who or whom this gun was made for or where it originated, and without some kind of verification its pretty Iffy. It would be nice to get something. Beretta cannot even find the serial number in there records. That is usa records. I am hesitant to give any advise on this one

Thanks

John Taddeo

I hate to assume . But is this a hidden gem. and is it worth taking a chance on?

Have you thought about calling Beretta in Italy?

The pigeon on the top lever is not a "clue". Pigeons on Beretta top levers are on $300 guns as well as $10,000 guns. This gun is not a thirty thousand dollar gun. It is an interesting shooter, worth what its condition warrants. Without pictures, I would estimate an $800 gun if in relatively high condition. What is the status of our old friend, Ed Taddeo?

Beretta 405 Speciale and 405 Piccione Extra
 

John, the book THE WORLD OF BERETTA AN INTERNATIONAL LEGEND Copyright 2000 by R. L. Wilson has a good picture of the 405 Speciale model in 32 gauge on page 76. Pictures of the 305 and 404 Piccione models and the 405 Piccione Extra model appear on pages 24, 76, 133, 134, and 135. I think they also appear in the 1949 Beretta Catalog but I do not have one of those handy to check. I believe the Piccione models were only available in 12 and 16 gauge as one might expect of a pigeon gun of the time period when these were made. If you still have access to the owner's pictures these will give you something for comparison. Hope this helps.

I will try to get some pics. Bill, It is not a pigeon on the lever its a gold crown with three LLL,s . My friend also found a copy of this book (as Berettas historical dept is lacking something). I hope he will get the info he needs from the book.. When he does I will post the findings.. I just noticed Ed Taddeo's name on the roster, I don't think there is a relation.

Thanks guys,

I will have a pic of this gun to post in due time. She is a pretty one...

John

I'd love to see this Beretta, I'm a big fan.

Larry

I will post some pics when he finalizes his decision (one way or another).. It is a beautiful old piece.

John

Here is a pic of the beretta.

We could use some more pictures of this gun. It is uncommon to say the least. My friend shoots a plain Beretta 20 gauge hammer gun with fluid steel barrels.

thats one nice little hammer gun...and im like bill we d like to see a few more pictures of this little beauty.... charlie

This is all I have for now..

28 ga Beretta Hammer Gun
 

That is one heck of a gun. I'll bet it has great wood as well.

I have a Beretta 28 gauge full side lock hammer gun that looks very similar to this gun but with very minor engraving and it's in mint condition as well. I think it was made in 1954 and if I recall it is a Stella or a Vittoria model with 2-12" chambers.

Fun little guns to shoot.

I suggest you find a copy of Double Gun Journal and inquire of some of the sellers of high grade double guns that advertise in it. They are probably the best source of value info, especially if you are talking about $30,000. If necessary, send a copy of the photos to some of those advertisers.

Very nice looking gun. The engraving is wonderful and looks quite contemporary.

My friend is no longer interested , though I do know the seller settled in at around 20k for this gun through doubleguns.com

What is the attributed year of manufacture of the subject gun?

And I thought I was having trouble finding 16's.

I can't say for sure as to the year. If I did it would only be a estimate from the current owner. What I do know is this gun was built for a gentleman who has passed and is part of an estate. I did see other photos of the 405 (not quite as ornate) as a live bird gun in a Beretta international book. I believe they told us doubleguns.com is listing this gun for sale.

They would have to be a bit clearer. I have not heard of doubleguns.com and can't find that domain name. Date of manufacture is very easy to determine on most Italian guns. Twenty grand is a bit high for such a gun, no matter how ornate or scarce.

Sorry Bill, I think he told us doublegunshop.com was where it would be listed ,my fault. As far as value I would personally agree with you, although anything can only be worth what someone is willing to pay (no matter what it is). A piece of French toast with the virgin Mary on it sold on Ebay for a staggering amount.. I wouldn't want to offend any man by giving my opinion of what I think that gun is worth. It would be my opinion and only that. I will tell ya what I think of the French toast though.

Just a little food for thought. I read a thread once about a gun that had been refinished with shelac and maybe other crude means and the possibilities of how this gun might be restored. I am willing to bet that if this gun was once owned by a man who has only memories of he and his father with little means preserving such a gun, for him it may be priceless...

I certainly don't see anything to criticize with this gun. It is a great effort. At the right price, someone will be very happy.

Beretta 28 ga Hammer gun
 

Here are a few pictures of the little 28 ga Beretta hammer gun I was speaking of earlier.

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Beautiful little hammer gun. I see engraving on the barrels. Is that an "EEL" on the left barrel. Would you happen to know if this gun is a 405 also?