Rare 20 gauge Parker
 

Hi guys. Decided I am interested in looking to possibly sell my shotgun. I would like to see what kind of offers I would get to see if it is worth my interest in selling. Let me know.

It is serial # 16348. Matching numbers. Appears all original. the piece of wood that detaches under the barrel and helps secure it has a repaired crack...not sure when that was repaired but probably years ago. It is a 26" length barrel, but records indicate the specs are 30".

It is very rare, as you indicated. Only 2 made. It is a Plain Twist Steel barrelled, 0 grade lifter action hammer 20 gauge. Serial number indicates this is dated 1879.

If I have to repost this in a different forum. Please let me know and accept my apologies for posting in the wrong area. Thanks

Yes you posted it in the wrong forum which I am sure you know. Parkers for sale forum is open to Parker members so you could join the PGCA and then post it in the proper forum. But I am sure you will get enough pm's so you won't have to join.... like you expected...!

Pay the $40 and join the PGCA! Then you can post the gun on the correct forum. $40 is less then the cost of a classified ad!!

What do you mean by rare, cut barrels and broken forend, lots of those around,,,
pictures to show us how rare??

PDD

Pat don't get him started he is trolling....

Second time in less then a week that we have a Forum Member fishing for a sale. When we ever learn?

This gentleman posted another thread where he asked for information on his gun and now he is merely going to the next step. Attempting to sell a gun on this site is far from trolling. A full description and pictures of the gun are on this forum (Stepdad's shotgun) that was last posted on December 23. Shouldn't be hard to find.

It's like I've been on another planet. I stay back for a while and then when I start looking again, I see a lot of posts about guns for sale. Some are obvious....."I've got this here gun for sale", others more disguised ..." If I were to sell this here gun, I wonder how much I could get for it? These sales attempts are located all over, in the general discussion, in the new member intros, in the forum questions.

Pardon me if I missed the announcement some place, but I thought John Dunkle and the board of directors set this website up so that only PGCA members could sell guns, they could only be Parkers, and the only place they could be sold was in the PGCA members only section under "PArkers for Sale". The reason for that was to encourage forum members to become PGCA members by giving them the incentive to be able to sell guns on this website. Now I see forum members circumventing that policy and PGCA members seemingly encouraging it by responding. So what inducement do we offer forum members to become PGCA members and move from riding free if the PGCA member only sales policy is ignored? Or is this something that nobody gives a damn about and everybody wishes I would shut up about it and go away?

Did the board of directors change the policy? Did the web administrators change the policy?

Bruce Day, PGCA know nothing and newbie from another planet

I guess if someone gets this gun for a decent price they aren't going to complain much about the broken "rules."

This area of the forum is now PGCA Member Only! In other words, this area is visible to only current PGCA Members - and for that, we are going to try a few things, like allowing the sale of Parker and fine double shotguns, along with Parts and Accessories for sale (no handguns and no other sporting firearms).

Bruce,
The info above is copied from the Guns for Sale section of the website and answers a couple of your questions. It would appear that shotguns other than Parkers can be listed but that sales of guns on our site are restricted to members only. The problem I see is that if non members can't open that area of the site they may not know that sales are restricted. Perhaps that info should be posted in another area if it's not already. As we all know some people will still try to take advantage and these threads should be pulled and the authors notified that on-line membership is quick and easy and will get their ad back up in the GFS section. That being said John D. has other things to do than monitor this site 24-7 so some of these posts will slip thru and then it's up to us members to correct the individuals and invite them to join us.

If it's not sold already, after the initial questions and answers, then it means he's trying to milk it harder. Guess we'll see.....

DLH

I know John Dunkle has a lot better things to do rather than hanging by to see if someone is trying to sneak a gun sale. But, I thought that was why the board had designated a group of web administrators, some of whom have the free time to monitor the website. I understood administration and monitoring of this site was not solely on John's back. Was I misinformed?

I moderated a Land Rover enthusiast's site for years and dealt with issues similar to this on many occasions. All of the moderators, myself included, resigned when the new owners of the site began to circumvent the policies previously adopted, which we had been trying to adhere to. Anyone who has had a moderator's position knows it's a thankless, pita type of job.

This is merely a suggestion, and admittedly not completely thought out, but one way to prevent circumstances like this particular one would be to prevent non PGCA members ability to use the PM function. I can anticipate there might be resistance by PGCA members who might want to use PMs as a means for furthering a legitimate discussion, but as the rules preventing non PGCA members access to the FS and Wanted sections benefit the members as a whole, so too would limiting non PGCA members ability to make private transactions.

That's a great idea, only PGCA members have access to pm's. That would cut down on this kind of thing.

Maybe we should have a few more equally responsible moderators to fill in the gaps where our two moderators may not be monitoring the forum, with the authority to immediately pull down such blatantly ignorant posts by non-PGCA embers.

No offense intended to those Forum Members who play by the rules...

Yes, I'm volunteering my services.

Good luck with this, people are clever. Where is the best place to look first to sell a Parker, right here. Limit the ability to PM of a forum member and they might post an e-mail address to conduct private conversations. A clever person selling a Parker could always post as a forum member and say "I am looking at a dandy CHE or whatever on Gunbroker right now and I want to know more about it and what you think." Never mentioning of course that he is the seller.

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Yeah, BUT, then "John Doe" circumvents that new rule by using the method of including his Name and Phone number, or (as Pete accurately stated), an e-mail at the end of a veiled gun for sale post/ad...

Moderators quickly removing obvious gun "For-Sale" posts by non-members in PGCA General Forums remains a very effective tool...

With his 5,364 posts, Dean obviously spends a great deal of time here and understands the rules, so perhaps he would be a good addition as a "responsible Moderator"...

Best, CSL
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I second Dean's nomination as moderator.

I think the larger question is; what do we offer and is it perceived as valuable for someone to fork over their money and join the PGCA. With that in mind who are the people who come to these forums for the first time or limited posting non-members and why. There are the people selling guns, looking for market exposure or advice because they think they might have something valuable or they want to be sure the collector hangout is alerted. Then there are the prospective new or limited knowledge buyers trying to be sure they don't make a mistake in either price or originality. There are also those who have discovered grandpa's old shotgun and want to know if it's worth something, can they shoot it and should they get it restored. There are occasional non-members whose gun broke and they are looking for the best person to fix it. For the most part we provide these services as a group every day, free of charge here in the forums.

If a person has one Parker and wants to know all there is to know or verify orginality we suggest they get Research letter. If the person has one gun they have a choice, $40 dollars for membership plus another $40 for the letter OR $60 for the letter and not join. Anybody see a problem here? Perhaps we should consider all first time new members get one free research letter then you are offering the curious something monetarily tangible and if they join they might stay and start collecting/shooting/participating.

Pete, If I were a BOD member (and I'm not) and this came to a vote (which I am completely confident it never will) I would vote against such a motion.

Also, please go to our Home Page and click on the "Research Letters" and you will see that the price of the non-member research letter has been raised to $100.
The reason for this change will be explained in the Spring Issue of Parker Pages which is at the printer as we speak. But suffice to say that it will be cheaper for someone to join PGCA and order one letter ($40 + $40 = $80) than to simply buy a letter at $100.

If anyone thinks $100 is too much for a letter he should try buying a letter for a Colt or Winchester :eek:

OK, finally the price disparity for a non member ordering one research letter vs. joining and ordering a research letter has been addressed. In that regard we are now offering something of monetary value for joining.

So what about all the free information and advice :)

I don't see anything wrong with these type of nonmember posts. We get to see a gun before it ends up at a pawn shop and then shows up on GB or another web site because the owner had nowhere else to offer it. I know of a couple of very nice guns that changed hands in similar situations with both parties being very happy. It's not like the forum is full of these type of threads.

SAA letter from Colt is still $100 and will include info on returns to the factory. A Cody letter is a good deal more, and tells a good deal less.

I think a Fox Collectors Association member gets a free letter with initial membership. I think that is a good thing. It would get people familiar with the "letter" concept, and gets people a year of Parker Pages, which should get anyone with any sense to renew. I apologize if I am repeating anyone else's idea.