BILL HI RON SCORES NEW NEW MEMBER HERE THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A PARKER AND BARREL IF I MAY? THE PARKER IS SERIAL NUMBER 84K DATES TO 1895 SHOULD HAVE DAMASCUS BARREL BUT DOES HAVE MATCHED SERIAL NUMBERS STAMPED PARKER GUN WORK? CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THIS THANKS

Post the serial number and maybe we can get some details on it.

84025

HAS EXTRACTORS , HIGHLY DETAILED WITH CHECKERED STOCK AND DEEP ENGRAVING 28" BARREL I SEE FRAME SIZE 1/2 BARREL CHECKERED ON TOP RIB WHERE IT WOULD SAY PARKER? INSTEAD STAMPED UN DER SIDE PARKER GUN WORK SAME SERIAL NUMBER. WHAT INTEREST ME IS I READ IN ONE OF BILL'S POST ABOUT A REMINGTON REBARRELED DAMACUS "A RATHER UNUSUAL VARIATION OF PARKER HISTORY"

"You seem to have a legitimate Remington rebarrelled Damascus era Parker. I would suspect that Remington trashed all Damascus barrels that were sent in for rebarrel jobs. You have a rather unusual variation of Parker history." I QUOTE THIS FROM AN EARLIER POST IN 08 BY BILL MURPHY...I THINK THIS IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO.

Ron,

Your gun is not listed in the Serilization Book so we can't give you details right now. There are surviving records available if you want to order a research letter.

We can only help you if you provide in focus closeups of your gun to include sides and bottom of the receiver, barrel rib inscription, barrel flats, receiver water table, and stock.

There are details in the FAQ of this site on how to post pictures.

SERIAL NUMBER 84025 PARKER DOUBLE 12 GA WITH MATCHING PARKER GUN WORK BARREL POSTED AN ALBUM THANKS FELLAS

ANYBODY HAVE ANY LUCK?

Ron: I went through your album and your gun looks quite nice. The butt stock is quite attractive. A close up of the extensive engraving on the frame would be nice to look at. I don't know enough about what you have, to give you info, other than it looks nice. A 1/2 frame 12 gauge is not something I have seen, others may have. Should be a nice upland game getter.

I will be interested to hear more from the experts about your gun

Thanks, I am interested also, i know the few collectors that i did show it to were also not sure either.I added a few more pictures of the frame...do you think i am posted in the right area for the experts to find my post?

Letting folks know you have an album allows them to have a look. Here are a couple to spur on interest.
Cheers,
Jack

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture...pictureid=2878

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture...pictureid=2887

SAA-WHEEET!!!

where is the album?

Stu: If you click on any member's name in the forums, e.g. RON SCORES, there is a drop down menu. Click on Public Profile. IF the member has one or more albums, that will show on the right side of the Public Profile page. Click on the album and enjoy the pictures.
Cheers,
Jack

BTW: Check FAQ 21 for info regarding frame size, how to measure if unsure and what gauge barrels were fitted to what frame size.

Ron, I have never seen a 1/2 frame gun with a 84k serial number.

Gary,The frame dimensions of a 1/2 frame gun mimick a 1 frame gun. This is interesting because of the fact that the 1/2 frame Remington barrels were fitted to this gun.

What an interesting Parker.

By the serial number range as well as the pictures you have posted on your album, especially the picture of the water tables, your Parker left Meriden as a Grade 2, or G Grade, and has since been rebarreled at Remington as well as having an engraving and checkering "upgrade" to something like an 'A-Grade' level. Obviously done long ago.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE I MIGHT FIND MORE INFO ON THE PARKER I POSTED ABOUT? THANKS RON

1895 12 GAUGE PARKER..DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
 

HELLO I HAVE AN EARLY PARKER DOUBLE HIGHLY ENGRAVED LOOKS TO HAVE A REBARREL NUMBERS MATCHING BARREL MARKED PARKER GUN WORK. I SET AN ALBUM UP THE SERIAL NUMBER IS #84025 ANYTHING ANYONE CAN TELL ME ABOUT IT WILL BE APPRECIATED. THANKS RON

The action frame is marked for a G grade. The engraving is not characteristic of a G.
The stock is styled to look like a B grade.
The barrels are take off s from a late 1/2 frame V grade.

Certainly an interesting gun, and as you can see, it is assembled from components of different grades and ages.

Bruce Day, novice Parker non expert who refers all valuation questions to Bill Murphy.

THANKS I AM TRYING TO DETERMINE A VALUE FOR MY INSURANCE. WHY IS THE BARREL NOT MARKED ON THE RIB? THANKS AGAIN RON

What is the exact distance between the firing pins?

EDGE OF HOLE TO EDGE OF HOLE 15/16"

We need the distance center to center.

1 1/16"

Bruce presents an interesting scenario, but there aren't many examples of 1/2 frame barrel sets being scavenged from junk guns. The engraving looks like a factory upgrade and the barrels are probably factory installations. We need much better pictures to determine whether Remington repair stamps indicate the gun was at Remington for this work. Take closeup, well lighted pictures of the barrel flats and the water table of the frame. There are serial numbers stamped on the barrel flats. This indicates a factory job. My guess is that the gun was sent to the factory for new barrels and upgrading engraving to C or B Grade including B Grade wood. The engraving was probably done by Robert Runge. The frame was probably originally a #1 frame, which is compatible with the Remington era 1/2 frame barrels. The #1 and #1/2 frame pin separation is 1 1/16".

Ron: You might want to order the research letter to see what the surviving factory records indicate. As Dean pointed out, the gun started life as a Grade 2 (G) and along the way had a major face-lift.

If you have the right tools and skills, you could remove the trigger guard screw, lift the tang and rotate counter-clockwise approx 1/8 turn and see if a serial number is under there and if it matches or not. I suspect not, but never say never.

The price of the letter may be worth satisfying "some" of your curiosity. There will likely still be more questions.

Cheers,
Jack

This image courtesy of another thread on revealing the serial number under the tang.

http://parkerguns.org/forums/attachm...1&d=1295406915

I WILL ADD MORE PICTURES TOMORROW IN NATURAL LIGHT YES THE NUMBERS ON THE BARREL MATCH. I WAS TOLD THIS GUN IS SPECIAL BUT THAT IS IT...I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAD KNOWLEDGE LOOKED AT IT AND WANTED IT.. NOW I HOPE WITH ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE HERE WE CAN FIND OUT THE HISTORY AND WHY THIS GUN IS SPECIAL.I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP. RON

THEY MATCH... UNDER TANG IS THE SAME AS THE OTHER NUMBERS

I told you what I think.

We also need some pictures of the forend and the area where it joins the receiver. Has this gun been converted to automatic ejectors or is it still an extractor gun?

thank you it is 1 1/16" center to center i measured incorrect. would this all add to the value? i am trying to get an insurance estimate,along with learning more about it for myself. thanks again

so the research letter should document the work done if it indeed it did go back for all the upgrades? i do not see any initials in the engraving. the only letters i see are parkers bros over the game scene. so if runge worked at parker he would not be able to personalize with his initials? correct?

still an extractor.

Ron, If the work was done at Remington there will be no record that we know of documenting their work. There may be a Remington date code stamped in the barrel flats but for the most part there is nothing available to us that tells us what was done.

There are very few and rare examples of Robert Runge's signature on his work. Don't expect to find it on your gun - the odds are like hitting the Mega-Millions.

Can you experts tell Mr. Scores whether his gun seems to be engraved to C or B Grade level? Of course, there is no bead at the breech balls, but what about the engraving coverage?

Mr. Scores, I would order a PGCA letter on your gun to confirm that it was actually built as a Grade 2 gun. You will likely get some information on the original purchaser, even if it is a large sporting goods firm. At some point, you will want all the research information on your gun that you can get. It is a very interesting gun.

THANK YOU I WILL ORDER A LETTER WHAT GRADE SHOULD I PUT? WHERE IT ASKS THE GRADE? I AM ADDING A FEW PICTURES NOW TO THE ALBUM. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP. SO WOULD YOU SAY THIS GUN IS A 1 OF A KIND?

G, with added engraving. Its not C or B, because it says G. I am not an expert , but to me, if it says G, its a G. And it has extra engraving , but its still not a C or B. Just like these embellished V grades, they are still not A-1 Specials.

How can anybody say that it is one of a kind without seeing all Parkers? It is definitely different and if the owner is looking to sell it by creating interest here instead of going quietly to an expert and getting a private valuation letter, somebody may be interested in the unusual. J R Larue makes a living doing valuations, advertises as such, and if a person wanted an experts opinion and would pay or it, that is an accepted and credible source, not a bunch of us chatting.

Bruce Day, novice third degree and certified non expert

IT IS HARD TO FIND AN EXPERT WHO STAYS HONEST WHEN HE THINKS HE CAN GET SOMETHING AT A GOOD PRICE. I HAD THIS EXPERICE WITH A NEPTUNE KREIGOFF DRILLING THE ONLY GUN I EVER SOLD AND KICK MY SELF EVERYDAY ABOUT IT...A FEW EXPERTS AT ORVIS HERE IN NY WHEN THE DID THE ANNUAL SHOOT. VALUED IT LOW AND TURNS OUT I SOLD IT FOR A THIRD OF ITS VALUE. BUT EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE AND I AM NOT SAYING THE GUN IS FOR SALE BUT ONE NEVER KNOWS WITH TAXES CLIMBING FUEL COSTS AND I HAVE TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS I AM WORKING ON THERE FUTURE. BUT YES MY QUEST IF TO FIND OUT WHAT I CAN ABOUT THIS PARKER. AS WE CAN ALL AGREE IT IS DIFFERENT? WHO KNOWS WHO IT BELONGED TO AND WHY IT HAS BEEN ALTERED SO MUCH. MIGHT OF BEEN SOMEONE OF HIGH STATUS OR WEALTH. IT COMES FROM A PART OF NY WHERE MANY WEALTHY AND NOTABLE MEN WALKED OR SHOULD WE SAY HUNTED AT ONE TIME.

You will sell at fair market value, whatever it is, by placing it at auction. Look at Gunbroker, or example, or Julias, Rock Island Auction, Littlejohns, etc. Because this gun is outside the norm for its grade, it will be hard, if not impossible, to look at comparables and guess at a value. An auction will be the only way to find value.

Or you can go to J R Larue and pay for his opinion, as others do. He is not a gun dealer and has no other self interest. If you are truly looking for a valuation letter for insurance coverage purposes, forum chat guesses from people who have not examined the gun in person and who have no demonstrated expertise in valuation will not be acceptable. My guess is that a Larue valuation will have considerable range.