RST AMMO
 

Have to give out some Kudos on there Flyer loads. I spoke to Lee on Monday by wens there were 2 cases sitting at the door. Paper hulls, copper 7.5 and 8's in the 3 1/2 dr load of 1 1/4oz. I patterened them out of 2 pigeon guns out to 50 yards. Gave em a test ride on sat and there were puffs out to the back fence.

RST has a very comprehensive lineup of cartridges! I have 3 boxes of their 1-1/8 ounce 10 gauge shells waiting for my new Baker. With a payload of number 8s, it should be a great grouse swatter. I am sure I will not be disappointed.

Once again this week I placed an order and 36 hours later 4 more cases of copper pigeon loads. I had a chance last week to pattern a new pigeon gun. Dam these things are smokers out of a .732 bore choked 40 thou in both barrels. Then a tight bored Perazzi .721 30thou bottom 42 thou top. That gun is throwing RST 3.5drm loads of copper 7.5 tight as all hell.

They are a great company to do business with . Penna. to Vermont in a couple of days!
Question: anyone shoot their 16 gauge one ounce light loads in a "0" frame? I shoot them in a # 1 frame 16 and they do have a little bit of a recoil. I am considering a "0" frame 16 and wonder if one ounce might be hard on the lighter stock. Thanks

Eric, I was out last weekend with my 0 frame GH 16ga and my 1 frame VH and I use the 2-1/2 Lite 1 oz. loads and the recoil felt the same. Both guns have 28 inch bbls. I'm gonna try their new paper shells on my 16 ga lifter but I'll be using the 7/8 oz loads just in case.

I have shot their 7/8 and 1 oz loads out of several 16 0 frame guns and one lifter with no problems. The 7/8oz load will consistantly break targets and makes a nice light upland bird load.

I just picked up 3 boxes of 2 1/2 inch 28's in their "brush load" for Grouse this fall. They should make a leathal combination and swat the Grouse with authority.

That's good to hear Richard. Now I feel better about taking the old girl out.

I just returned from a shooting session in my local gravel pit. I tried a new theory on my 41 Swiss cartridges, but will abandon it. My original idea performed better. As for the 1890 vintage 'New Baker', it handled the 10 gauge RSTs without a hitch. Recoil was light and the old girl threw some awesome patterns beyond 25 yards. It should be a deadly grouse gun this fall. Nothing like a set of one iron crolle (or London Twist, as Baker called them) barrels to enhance a day of chasing the elusive Ruffed Grouse!

Theory? Idea? what, what???

tell us about the 41 swiss..and glad you like the new baker 10 ga...many a bird has fallen to one of the old 10 ga s and a lot of those birds were quail and grouse...most people think of the 10 ga as only a long range gun... charlie

Light, short barrel, open bored tens. I don't know what the original purchasers were thinking when they originally ordered them, but now they are very scarce and I buy every one I can find. I use the 1 1/8 ounce RST in the light tens.

In my modern 10 ga which has screw in chokes. I have a briley Light modified and I love that particular constriction. Though when I get my old sxs it has full/full. Also why does rst have 10 ga listed by the 100 rd case.only? I don't need that much but will buy it if they don't have.other options

Charlie, my Swiss is a Model 1869/71 rifle that I rescued from being turned into a parts gun or wallhanger. It needed a lot of TLC and quite a bit of stock work. The bore is rough for the first 6 inches or so, but puts 20 shots into a 3" group at 50+ yards with my improvised sights. I use a .430" Lee 310 grain gaschecked bullet and 11 grains of Unique. It is necessary to seat the bullets way out, but I tried seating them and crimping into the normal crimping groove. It did nothing but create a bigger jump for the bullet. I converted the bolt to centerfire and use trimmed and formed PP 8x50R brass. It is quite a shooter. Now that I have my loads where I want them, I will work on some long range shooting. I have quite a few 19th century milsurps along with my four 19th century shotguns. I have a seriously tight budget, so my guns certainly reflect that. I put many hours into making them right and loading my own cartridges. All of my guns were far from original when I got them. They just don't look like crap anymore. My newest rifle is a 1945 vintage MAS 1936 that I pulled out of a dumpster. It shoots amazing groups with cast bullets. Cheers!

Milton, RST will sell mixed cases and they also publish a list of their dealers who will ship you a box of shells. RST attends many side by side events where they display their wares and will sell you a box of anything on their price list. Where are you located? You may have an RST dealer near your home. There is a link to "Upland Supply", one of their dealers who will sell by the box.

Im live at Lake seminole GA. Pretty nice place to live the 37,000 acre lake is a plus lol

I have used RST in the past as well,excellent product....unfortunately during a correspondence with Mr.Papp earlier this year he informed me that they can no longer ship to Canada...very sad new's.

1 1/8th oz of shot in a 10ga for Grouse:eek: No dog I presume.

I once tried to use my 6 1/4 pound ten gauge Sauer for tame pheasants with chambermates and light 12 gauge loads. The brass was sticking in the chambermates, so I finished out the day with real ten gauge shells. Now that RST is loading the 1 1/8 ounce tens, I haven't used the chambermates since.

One of my gun dreams is to one day beat Bill to a light 10 S/S...

I use nothing but RST paper’s in my 1907 VH 0 frame 16 with 26” barrels 5lb. 13 oz. (fast becoming my all time favorite shotgun:-) recoil is very tolerable and you just got to love the smoke & smell of those papers, “old school all the way” :cool:
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I dropped 12 of these on a hunt back in Feb. using the above-mentioned Parker & shells in there #6 shot. I have a flat of #7.5’s on the ready for this September’s dove opener :)
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Ditto. Problem is no carrier here will transport "dangerous goods" mixed in with the rest of their load. New issue as well involves the export requirements from USA side. The FFL I have used for 3 purchases says he could put all the export documents together but the end price for ammo by that route is too expensive. I have been working with a local Gunworks shop to see if they can get it here. Tough to keep reading about how great RST ammo is and not be able to just buy a flat. If anyone gets it figured out how to bring RST to Canada, it will be a happy day up here.

Cheers,
Jack

I remember picking every shot paper hull and giving it a smell as a kid. Sometimes I still do it with plastic but it an't the same. Gonna get me some 16 paper rst's.

I'm with you on that,from my previous experience with RST quality I would use nothing else

Dad perhaps it's time to set up the reloading bench. I'm doing my own now and it's a lot more fun to empty the cases than to fill them but you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm loading 12,16, &20's all 2.5 inch cases low pressure.

My new grouse & woodcock load is from New Era Ammunition. 2 inch paper 16's roll crimped and if memory serves it's a 5/8's oz load.

Richard, when splitting hairs on pressures, I have learned that New Era has the lowest, followed by RST and then Polywad. The data I gleaned may not be correct, though, as often times we learn on the internet! For some, the differences may be moot, but I kinda like to do my homework and go for the lowest number. Are all of New Era's cartridges paper hulled? RST's paper hull loads tickle the olfactories just like the 'originals'! About 6 months ago, I e-mailed the folks at New Era concerning short 10s. They do not plan on it in the foreseeable future.

I am reloading 16's. were did you get your paper hulls and whats your recipe?

20.5 gr of SR7625, Win 209 primer, Galandi SG16 wad. I'm loading 2.5 inch RST hulls scrounged up from various shoots. Brian @ new Era is loading the paper hulls. You can get these from Graff and Son but I think they need to be trimmed if you want the 2.5 inch length.

Paper hulls are only good for one loading as they weaken either at the base or don't hold up well during the final crimp stage. When I hunt with paper shells I just use the RST ammo other than the special 2 inch 16's. Brian did a custom run for someone so I asked for some extras.

New Era 16 gauge shells have the following pressures:
2 3/4" 3/4oz: 7,400psi
2 1/2" 7/8oz: 7,100psi
2 1/2" 1oz: 7,700psi

RST's 2 1/2" shells range from 5300 psi to approx. 6200 psi.

Are these similar pressures to what the pressure ranges would have been for the early ammo. produced during the transition to smokeless powders back in the day?

Sherman Bell published his test results with black powder in the short 10s about 11 years ago. His results are in line with RST's numbers. I just tried a box of RST's 10 gauge loads in my 8 pound Baker and was really pleased with the lack of recoil and the cleanliness of the bore afterward.

I have a case of 8's and 7.5 copper loaded in the truck for the AM. God that 7.5 in the left hits em hard.

Thanks Richard I'll be trying out your load soon as Graf gets in some more paper. I guess the dowell and exacto knife blade trimmer will work on paper as well. Are you 6 or 8 or roll crimp.

I use a 6pt crimp. They are nice to hunt with (paper) but not pratical for any type of volume shooting.

Another day over the traps with RST pigeon loads. It's da bomb.

3 Dr.Eq. 1 1/8 oz. Winchester Trap Load 1,202 fps 9,600 psi
Winchester AA Xtra-Lite 1 oz WAAL12
1189 fps 8000 psi

Standard 1900s loads per LC Smith Hang Tags:
12g 3 dram 1 1/4 oz 1165 fps
16g 2 1/2 dram 1 oz 1165 fps
20g 2 1/4 dram 7/8 oz 1155 fps

The 12g 2 5/8" 1 1/8 oz. 3 1/4 Dram Eq (1295 fps) load of the 1920s ran about 10,500 psi.

The Super-X 2 3/4 inch 3 3/4 dram equiv. 1 1/4 ounce load (1330 fps) was near the SAAMI max. of 11,500 psi.

Baschieri & Pellagri data BUT you must add 500-1000 psi to the reported pressure to get an approximation of the SAAMI equivalent PSI. The 16g F2 Classic is factory listed at 9,867 psi but testing by Tom Armbrust showed it to be 10,500.

Gamebore Traditional Game 16g 28gm (1 oz.) is reported to run 1260 fps at 8122 psi but pressure testing by Tom Armbrust showed it to be 8400 psi.

The box is labeled "These cartridges are suitable for use in:
70mm case length: Guns with a chamber length of 2 3/4" or longer, nitro proofed to a service pressure of 3 1/4 tons per square inch (900 kg per square cm) 67 mm case length: Guns with a chamber length of 2 1/2" or longer, nitro proofed to a service pressure of 3 tons per square inch (850 kg per square cm.)"