Recoil pad question
 

Good evening, and an early Merry Christmas (season) to everyone. I have recently obtained a nice SC Grade Parker SBT, and am looking forward to shooting it. The recoil pad on it is serviceable, but has seen far better days. It appears to be a Jostam, but without the slots I have seen in these in the past.

According to the Parker Story, Parker didn't offer a specific pad, certainly not one of their own, so really anything goes on these? Connecticut Shotgun seems to offer a Galazan Jostam repro, a Hy-Gun, which might be ok, but they also have a repro Silver and repro Hawkins.

I am new to this field; I have collected and shot military rifles and old handguns for years, and just in the last four years have gotten into trap shooting. I stumbled across a couple of nice old trap shotguns which I love shooting, and have now been more actively hunting down examples. Recoil pads are definitely an area of deterioration on most of them. What do the experienced folks on this site feel would be most appropriate on a Parker SBT, since I wouldn't be able to find the same style repro Jostam as is on it? That would be assuming that the old Jostam IS the original one mounted to the gun.

Any advice appreciated!
Thanks

Ed

Those sponge rubber pads first hit the market as the Huntley recoil pad --

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but by 1916 the had been acquired by JOSTAM and became part of their line. A 1916 JOSTAM folder --

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1937 JOSTAM catalog --

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The heart shaped Hawkins and Silvers
Pad from England are most desired.
I have a 1941 gun that when I got it looked
Unfired, has heart shaped Hawkins

I had a DHE 20 ga. with correct silvers pad on it, was questionable
shot 2 round of skeet, fell apart
Get you a period replacement pad and enjoy

Your pad is nailed on. I would leave it intact as long as it stays together.

Bill nailed it!! Pun intended!

If this were my gun, I'd leave that pad alone and enjoy the gun just the way it is. The Galazan re-pop pads look the part, but you might as well be putting a red brick on your gun. They are recoil pads in name only and hard as a brick.

If the pad can be saved, save it since it's original equipment. If it can't be saved, you have to decide if you want it original even though it will deteriorate quickly with heavy use or just have a Kick Ezz pad put on. A Kick Ezz pad is much more comfortable with heavy shooting. If the Jostam's pad can be saved, it can always be put back on if selling.

Nailed on!!! I hadn't thought of that!! I have not looked in the pad holes to see what is there. The pad is still soft so can be used; I had thought that if I replaced the pad I would keep the original (or original-ish) one with the gun. I had to replace the pad on my Three Barrel because in shape and consistency it resembled a ginormous piece of well used chewing gum, and have to agree that the replacement Galazan does feel pretty much like an orange extension of the wood stock......

Thanks for the advice. Key for these guns seems to be making sure they are in a case and not stored butt down in a safe.

Ed

Ed, store them barrel down in the safe.

Tell Galazan, Barnett, Hadfield and other high grade gun dealers that they are storing their guns the wrong way. I don't doubt that in the old days they would over oil their guns to keep them working and keep them from rusting. That oil has long ago dried up. As the saying goes, "a little dab will do ya"!

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The pad on your gun cannot be put back on if you take it off.

I have several of these pads that are new and original. If it letters with this pad I would have a new old stock professionally reinstalled.

Ed,
I have an NOS Jostam pad of that style if you're interested.

Bill,
If it is nailed on as the originals were to be installed, wouldn't there be no holes in the back of the pad? I am betting that if a screwdriver of the proper size is sent down into the two holes, one will find screws holding it on. I could be wrong, but cannot find any other reason for the two holes in the original pad.

Seems like a VERY strong reason to leave it the hell alone then......

Ed

I think you could make it look pretty nice, if you want to get rid of that nice patina, with some judicious sanding on the sides of the pad with some very fine flint or garnet sandpaper… but leave the face of the pad as it is.

But first put some protective tape over the wood.



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Bill is correct--These type pads are tacked & glued on. Click on the picture of the pad that researcher posted about them. The information in the text talks about the glueing & tacking method for installation.

I remember seeing some threads about these before, where the sponge rubber had to be cut through to remove the pad part just to reveal the tacks so the rest of the pad could be removed. I suspect that the holes in this pad were put there somewhere during this gun's life after the fact or whoever installed it decided two screws were an easier way to install it.

If only these guns could talk & tell us their story!

I did request a research letter which is en route, but it might be one with no records. We shall see. I did see some used Jostams of this type on Ebay but they looked as used as this one. I think I will just take the sage advice of the people who were good enough to reply to my query and leave it as is. It has certainly been my MO with my military rifles and handguns--some people can't resist refinishing and generally messing with patina when really as long as something isn't actually broken, it shouldn't be touched.

Ed

They would have tales to tell for sure. Although some, like the gorgeous AYA SxS I got for next to nothing because someone had painted it with alternating green and black for "camo effect", might be too traumatized to actually talk. :rotf: The firearms equivalent of PTSD; maybe PBSD with B for Bubba.

Ed

Simple solution to his problem is to store it barrel down. Those high end dealers don’t keep those guns on the butts 24/7/365 for years at a time. I’d be willing to wager that the guns in that pic do not all have original pads on them either. The old pads break down more than new/repro pads.

I have modified my gun safes to hold more guns, but also have laid down soft foam and then carpet on the bottom so the base has more "give". I think it is likely a combination of oil and storage maybe butt down on hard surfaces plus just age that does these old pads in. Storing barrel down makes sense though!

Ed

Ed,

I like these layered pads and would let it on if it is in decent condition. I know a new pad would be softer, but then again putting Magnum loads through these aging treasures is maybe not advisable.

I purchased a Fox with this style pad and it is as hard as a rock, but I really don’t know that I can remove it unless I find an original.

I just realized the face of the recoil pad on the OPs gun is the face of a JOSTAM Anti-Flinch, not the face that is normally on the Sponge Rubber pad.

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Learn something new every day.

As I wrote previously in this thread, there is no reason for two screw holes in a nail and glue on pad. I am still betting there are two screws down those holes.

Jostam Sponge Rubber pad replacement
 

As mentioned in multiple post the base Red Rubber plate is braded to the stock with multiple brads along the perimeter of the base plate.

So as to return this gun to as close to the factory treatment as possible I removed the outer portion of the pad which is nothing more than rubber cemented to the base plate and it came off surprisingly clean.

The trick is finding a competent smith to take the Sponge section of a NOS pad and grinding it to match.

Luckily I have such a craftsmen that I have kept busy for many years.

This is what can be done.

Good Luck, Will