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Brett Trimble 07-12-2025 05:18 PM

What do you think of this one?
 
https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=103181792

Lovely engraving, are there similar Parker engraved guns? The Parker Bros looks a little different to most, but I’m no expert. Interesting that it’s said to be choked skeet in and skeet out.. on a gun made in 1920. However he doesn’t show any of the markings..

Interested to hear how the experts react!

Dean Romig 07-12-2025 05:37 PM

Where are the pics of the barrel flats and the water table?

The "SKEET IN" and "SKEET OUT" stamps, if they really exist, would ruin any collector value IMHO.





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Brett Trimble 07-12-2025 05:39 PM

Dean, could a gun have gone to Remington for choke work and have been stamped at that time?

Dean Romig 07-12-2025 05:45 PM

Never say never but without any Remington records of it (and there aren't any) it is wide open to anyone's interpretation as to how or why it was stamped that way.

A standard Parker Skeet gun would (should) have a single selective trigger, a beavertail forend, twin ivories (maybe) at the least...





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Tom Jay 07-12-2025 07:58 PM

At that price I’ll buy two

Scott Gentry 07-12-2025 08:00 PM

28 ga
 
Regardless it sure is pretty to look at.

Dan Steingraber 07-12-2025 10:31 PM

Beautiful gun. Lots of flowers. I love to have the opportunity to see these guns in detail. Without taking anything away from the wood on this gun, it provides a reference for how good the wood is on so many reproductions.

Bill Murphy 07-13-2025 03:42 AM

No records, too bad. Someone should ask Leroy if the skeet marks are stamped. Not an ugly gun.

Garry L Gordon 07-13-2025 05:29 AM

Thank God it has a short stock! :rotf:

Jeff Kuss 07-13-2025 08:50 AM

Garry,
I'm happy it only has 26" barrels! Otherwise ? :whistle:

Garry L Gordon 07-13-2025 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kuss (Post 433087)
Garry,
I'm happy it only has 26" barrels! Otherwise ? :whistle:

Looks like we both lucked out…hmmm…or did we(?)

Larry Stauch 07-13-2025 09:09 AM

Barrel flats
 
I asked Mark over there to either add some pictures of the barrel flats or send them to me. But, looking at that rib extention fit I can't imagine that the gun was rebarreled or a barrel added by Parker; or Remington for that matter. Nice engraving, but it's too bad that there are not some animals, IMHO.

Garry L Gordon 07-13-2025 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Stauch (Post 433090)
I asked Mark over there to either add some pictures of the barrel flats or send them to me. But, looking at that rib extention fit I can't imagine that the gun was rebarreled or a barrel added by Parker; or Remington for that matter. Nice engraving, but it's too bad that there are not some animals, IMHO.

Short barrels, short stock, no engraved animals! Ha! We all lucked out. :rotf:

John Allen 07-13-2025 11:01 AM

If I am not mistaken, I owned and sold that gun around 30 years ago. It came out of a big collection in Bowling Green,Ky. I remember the floral engraving with no game scenes. I sold the gun to a customer in Oregon through a dealer in Pa. The collection had some wonderful guns that I wish I had been able to hold on to. A DE 20 gauge Fox 2 barrel set was one I never should have sold. I am sure we all have guns we wish we could buy again.

Dave Noreen 07-13-2025 11:13 AM

That is how Noel E. Money, elder brother of Harold B. Money (De Shootinest Gent'man), ordered his Pigeon Gun from Parker Bros. in February 1895, "flowers no birds".

Bill Murphy 07-13-2025 11:58 AM

Sousa's AAH was also engraved without birds or animals. My AAHE was engraved with nothing. Well, the engraver snuck in some bit of scroll on the sides of the safety, probably hoped it wouldn't be noticed.

CraigThompson 07-13-2025 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kuss (Post 433087)
Garry,
I'm happy it only has 26" barrels! Otherwise ? :whistle:

That gun “is you” ! You roll in Maine with that one and eyebrows might be raised :whistle:

CraigThompson 07-14-2025 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John Allen (Post 433102)
If I am not mistaken, I owned and sold that gun around 30 years ago. It came out of a big collection in Bowling Green,Ky. I remember the floral engraving with no game scenes. I sold the gun to a customer in Oregon through a dealer in Pa. The collection had some wonderful guns that I wish I had been able to hold on to. A DE 20 gauge Fox 2 barrel set was one I never should have sold. I am sure we all have guns we wish we could buy again.

The one in TPS you have or had was serial number 178209 but this one Merz has for sale is serial number 191767 .

Rich Anderson 07-14-2025 05:23 PM

No animals (cartoon characters) isn't that uncommon. I recently sold an AAHE that IIRC was all floral engraved. Some time ago I sold a BHE live bird gun that was all floral engraved and I have a BHE 20 that's floral engraved.
My AHE 20/28 unfortunately has the deer/stag on the floorplate. I much prefer the floral engraving vs the cartoon characters.

Jerry Harlow 07-14-2025 07:56 PM

The ding in the wood at the top of the skeleton butt plate would have made me cry if I owned it.

CraigThompson 07-14-2025 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Anderson (Post 433214)
No animals (cartoon characters) isn't that uncommon. I recently sold an AAHE that IIRC was all floral engraved. Some time ago I sold a BHE live bird gun that was all floral engraved and I have a BHE 20 that's floral engraved.
My AHE 20/28 unfortunately has the deer/stag on the floorplate. I much prefer the floral engraving vs the cartoon characters.

I’ve been looking for an AAHE with Santa Clause on the floor plate , if I find one I’ll affectionately refer to it as “My Rich Gun” . All jokes aside I like the ones with deer/elk on the floor plates .

Rich Anderson 07-15-2025 08:37 AM

Big game animals have no place on a shotgun. Ever seen a high grade rifle with Quail engraved on the floor plate?

Randy G Roberts 07-15-2025 09:28 AM

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As Rich said no animals is not that uncommon and is often noted in the letter. I prefer animals, little ones without horns that is but I can get along quite well without any animals at all.

Dean Romig 07-15-2025 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Anderson (Post 433262)
Big game animals have no place on a shotgun. Ever seen a high grade rifle with Quail engraved on the floor plate?



Too late Rich - What’s done is done. :whistle:





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Garry L Gordon 07-15-2025 09:53 AM

Unique and well done often looks good to me.

Dave Noreen 07-15-2025 11:10 AM

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A lot of variety for the Parker Bros. customer to choose from. The Whit 1 guns --

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Then this style No. 7 --

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Garry L Gordon 07-16-2025 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy G Roberts (Post 433266)
As Rich said no animals is not that uncommon and is often noted in the letter. I prefer animals, little ones without horns that is but I can get along quite well without any animals at all.

Gosh, Randy, those are some beautiful (and with wonderful stock dimensions) guns!

Garry L Gordon 07-16-2025 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noreen (Post 433275)
A lot of variety for the Parker Bros. customer to choose from. The Whit 1 guns --

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Then this style No. 7 --

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Yikes, I now have some serious gun envy. :crying:

Larry Stauch 07-16-2025 09:06 AM

Barrels flats
 
I have the pictures of the barrel flats and watertable. I'm just waiting for their permission to post them on here.

Mike Franzen 07-16-2025 11:03 AM

Following

Jim Thynne 07-16-2025 02:47 PM

This looks like the fabled Alice Congdon gun. From thhat estate in Duluth Minnesota.It certainly looks good to me, My AA had similar engraving!

Bill Murphy 07-16-2025 04:19 PM

Jim to which gun are you referring?

David Livesay 07-16-2025 04:53 PM

Pictures of the barrel flats have been added to the link.

Bill Murphy 07-17-2025 08:53 AM

The skeet markings look very "factory" with one marking encroaching on the barrel weight stamps. Could this be a Runge-DelGrego upgrade? Personally, I don't care, but the price and value would be very different.

Jim Thynne 07-17-2025 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 433355)
Jim to which gun are you referring?

The 28 gauge AA skeet gun. This may be the gun that shot a intruder in the cognon mansion in Duluth Minnesota. The gun went into evidence and then disappeared. It was thought that a family member was given the gun after the police let it out of evidence. George Flaim and Jack Puglisi both talked about the little gun, It was quiet a story. I use to hang out with these two characters!

Jim Thynne 07-17-2025 09:04 AM

Congdon Mansion!

Jim Thynne 07-17-2025 09:05 AM

And by the way, talk about two characters. They were so much fun!!

Dean Romig 07-17-2025 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 433379)
The skeet markings look very "factory" with one marking encroaching on the barrel weight stamps. Could this be a Runge-DelGrego upgrade? Personally, I don't care, but the price and value would be very different.


191767 is a 1920 0-frame 28 gauge gun but it’s not in the serialization book and there is no data upon which to base a research letter. Obviously in one of the “missing” books… perhaps in one of the books in the possession of the DelGrego family, eh?

This gun was manufactured six years before Skeet was invented and like sixteen years before Remington/Parker were stamping the SKEET IN and SKEET OUT on the flats.

We’ll never know what happened with this gun… It sure is pretty though.





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Dean Romig 07-17-2025 09:22 AM

Jim, in what year was that murder committed?





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Larry Stauch 07-17-2025 09:39 AM

Barrel flats
 
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Merz people gave me permission to post these pictures. I noticed in the book it shows only 5 28 gauge AAH guns; 4 with 28" barrels and one with a 32" barrel. No guns with 26" barrels. And like someone already said the gun was made prior to skeet being invented. These pictures show, in detail, some issues with the printed numbers on the barrel flats, including the over stamping of the frame size on the barrel lug. See for yourselves. And like I said before that barrel extention fit is very suspect to me.
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