Question for the 10ga. Folks
 

I havea Parker 10ga Grade 1 hammer gun That I've had around 10 years and think it's about time I started shooting it.

I have RST hulls and Federal Black Cloud hulls. The RST hulls look like the Black cloud hulls, same brown color and head stamp, no stars. So the question, are the RST hulls Federals?

Back when I bought the gun a Mec reloader and the hulls came with the deal so thinking about reloading for it I bought a bag of Remington SP 10 wads and a 1 pounder of Red Dot. At the time I think I recall the wads and powder where part of a recipe along with Federal hulls, but as long as it'sbeen I might be wrong. Any thoughts in that direction? I will be checking Pete's spread sheet also. But in any event, thanks for any info you might pass along.

The early RST 2 7/8" hulls I encountered were brown Federal hulls with RST markings. Later RST started using red Cheddite hulls with RST markings. The Federal's were better IMO.

19gr of Red Dot with either hull and 1 1/8 oz will be a nice target and small game load and "period correct". With the SP-10 wad you will need a 1/2" of or 1/2"+ spacer to get a proper crimp. Both 16ga and 20ga filler wads will work. Fiber wads are more forgiving of stack height than hard wads but they produce some confetti when shot. Annoying to some but others smile, depends on which way the wind is blowing.

Both Red Dot and SP10 wads are currently unobtanium.

BPI sold a waxed 16 ga. wad that eliminated the confetti. Kind of liked the celebration in every shot when i was not down wind.

I use 16ga card wads for the needed stack height.

Just after I said SP10 wads were not available along comes this Ebay auction. For the bargain price of $80 plus $7 shipping per bag AND there are five bags. Get 'em while they're hot! :rotf:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20556344330...3308&recoPos=1

1/2" Waxed like these?
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/basket.asp

Your reference did not show. BPI #HCW 16. Mine bought 5 years ago so no current knowledge

1/2 Waxed Hard Card Wad (200/bag)
16ga

Item: HCW 16 GA
Price: $7.99

Thank you!

I’m glad I’ve started curtailing my shooting and have a decent amount of SP-10’s on hand or I’m afraid I’d make them an offer on all five bags .

Anyone wanting to get into 10 ga reloading might look at my advert to sell an as new MEC press complete with 2-7/8" short kit AND 500+ SP-10 wads in the Members Forums.

REALLY glad I found the guy in Canada with a ton of SP-10s a while back. I bought a bunch and I believe Craig did as well. BP has their BP1044s in stock at $25 for 250. I'd be inclined to try'em before Ebaying at $75/250. I use BP wads for nearly every load I shoot in 12,16, and 20. Never any issues, work well for me.

The BP1044 work well too.

Haven't tried the "new" ones, I shot some of the 10ga. wads they had a while back before they disappeared and they were just fine. If/when I run out of SP-10 you can bet I'll be getting some of the BP 1044 before I pay crazy money for the old Remington wads.

OK, I finally have my supply of primed Cheddite hulls and BP wads.
What is the best powder CURRENTLY AVAILABLE to load 1 1/8 ounce target loads in my old 10s?
I have Perfect Pattern, which seems too fast, and Winchester Super Handicap, which seems too slow burning.
I also have some International.
Any suggestions?
Most of the powders in the spreadsheet seem “unobtanium.”

Hodgdon International is very close to Alliant Green Dot. I would not be afraid to try 22 grains of International with 1 1/8 ounce lead. It would be an untested load if you decide to try it but I believe the risk of something bad happening in a sound gun is negligible.

Tested load
 

Here is a load I had tested at Precision if it helps you out.

Wow!
That is as close to what I am looking for as anything else. The only difference is the wad.
And that the pressures we are dealing with, that should be absolutely no problem, I would think.
Tell me, how do they shoot, and what do you shoot them in?
Presumably, it’s in guns approaching 9 pounds, so the felt recoil should be negligible.
Thanks a million!

I've got a few different 10s all with Damascus barrels I shoot them in.Seems like a mild load.I haven't patterned them but shot skeet with them and worked good.The bp1044 wads will likely have a little more pressure as the crush section is somewhat stiffer than the sp10 wad.The old sp10 wads had a thinner built crush section than the newer ones do and as a result created a little more pressure also.Tom Armbrust will verify this with tests he has done for me.If you were to substitute a ww209 primer for the cheddite primer,pressure and velocity would both likely be a little lower as the ww primer is a little milder.Ive got 1 1/4 oz loads I've had tested using long shot with similar velocity but lower pressures yet.I think I've posted some on here in the past.Jeff

It seems like pressure is hardly an issue in that load. In fact, a little more pressure might make it burn cleaner. Is that possible?

Could you please repost the Long shot recipe? Thanks