8ga Shooters at the VC
 

The Vintagers is hosting a 8ga trophy event Friday morning September 8th on the Warrington 5 stand. All 8ga participants interested in shooting as a group meet at 9:30am at the 5 stand. If you own a 8ga and need ammo for the event, PM me and I should be able to accommodate your needs. Big Bore Guys Have More Fun!!!

I’m in the process of loading for the event !

I’m also in the process Craig,

I’m using the very same Mec set up as most everyone is I think. Has anyone had this happen to them like the shell in this picture?

This is some of my first 8 gauge hulls bought in 2020 and I didn’t track how many times these were loaded, but between 6&8 times. I’m trying to decide if the plastic hull is just weakening or if I have a final crimp die issue :cuss:

I spoke with Ken about this and he said the final crimp dies have been holding up well, but that’s not to say that it’s definitely not a die issue. While lowering the die to do the final crimp, when almost down, it just goes sideways, and the hull is ruined:crying:

I probably do this the hard way , but I typically resize deprime reprime all my hulls before I start loading . Then at a later date I drop powder put in wad spacers/beans and crimp . The hulls I got initially I had issues with some of them being used to much and the foldedcrimp didn’t hold them well enough to get good pressure . Today when I was sizing the first hill and I think the fourth hull I didn’t get up in the sizer correctly and I screwed them up a bit . But I straightened them back out with a pair of needle nose pliers . But as to your situation there I’m hesitant to make a guess .

Stan the only cause I can think of is the chamber diameter of your Lifters were cut for brass shells and would be oversized versus a chamber cut for paper shells. When firing the Winchester hulls in your guns the plastic expands to the diameter of the chamber. When you crimp the reload the larger diameter is very tight in the die and the crushing occurs before the cycle is complete. If it happens with a new hull then I would suspect the crimp die. Craig

Craig, I have 30 RMC 8 gauge brass shells. I have not heard of anyone loading smokeless in brass shells. What is the problem, if any, in loading smokeless in brass shells? Thanks.

bill I have loaded brass shells with smokeless powder before....I learned a few things first put 1 to 2 grains of black powder in the brass hull against the primer I just poured it into the brass hull then put your smokeless powder in on top of the black powder....finish up with 1/8 inch thick card wads better than the old hard fiber wad....then finish up with your lead shot...then put your thin wad over shot then I used a hot glue gun to seal my top wad while holding down pressure while glueing...I ve never had a misfire while using this method using a brass hull with smokeless powder in a brass hull....charlie

Hull Fatigue
 

Well it definitely appears to be hull fatigue, new hulls crimp perfectly :)

What is the hull life been for you guys using these Winchester Industrial hulls.

Thanks,
Stan

All my shotgun loading life I’ve never segregated hulls by number of loadings so that’s a question I can’t answer . But knock on wood I’ve not had any do what that one did for you .

Stan I get 7 to 8 reloads per hull. I toss them when the crimp fold splits. Never had a crushed hull?

Charlie, thank you for telling me of your experience with brass shells. Craig, could you tell me what you know about brass shells and smokeless powder? Why don't we ever hear about this combination?

If you have the old WIN brass hulls the interior bottom drops below the fire end of the primer . To get them to work best and be more reliable it seems you need to put something g in the bottom to bring the bottom of the powder charge up even with where the flash comes out . I’ve cut plastic discs and drilled holes in them to fit around the part of the shell the primers held in but so far I’ve not found an adhesive that I trust to hold these things in . But I ain’t given up yet .

Mr. Hoover are we shooting a lifter or a top lever Friday morning ? Nosey(ME) wants to know !

Google it on YouTube a guy on there is glueing plastic base wads in 12 gauge hulls which is where I got the idea . But I tried his method in a 10 gauge brass WIN Rival hull with hot melt glue and I didn’t care for it . Then I got a 3/4” plastic dowel Rod and cut a bunch f discs to drill and put in . Again the hot melt glue didn’t satisfy me . So when I try again I’ll try a two part epoxy maybe it’ll work maybe it won’t .

The jury is still out on that decision, it will be decided after some lead has been put downrange this week:cool:

Maybe bring both ����

I think the table theme is Long Barrels, So the top lever will definitely make the trip, probably both.

I just need to decide which it will be in the 8 gauge event.

Since my local sporting clays course will not allow larger than 12 gauge, I'll need to get down to the local club and maybe have Shane show me some targets so I can make my decision

Just shoot a five stand practice round with the long barreled one at Warrington Thursday .

Stan: Did you buy the 40" #7 frame top lever from Jeff K?

Craig,

Yes, the barrels are 38” though, need to see if I can hit anything with it yet:)

Stan

Stan great can't wait to see it and watch you shoot it. Want me to bring my bore gauge Lmk. Craig

Thanks Craig,

I hate to ask you to bring your measuring tool again, but I would like to measure this one.
It doesn’t have to be at the Vintagers, whenever is convenient for you.

Thanks,
Stan

Stan: I have the gauge all packed. Craig

A few less than exemplary pictures from the event . Eleven shooters total I believe .