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Destry L. Hoffard 05-23-2023 02:59 PM

Parker Order Books
 
With the passing of Babe Delgrego last year, I thought this worth bringing up again.

It's well known that the Delgrego family holds several Parker record ledgers.

Perhaps this is the time for the PGCA to approach them again about a possible purchase them.

Chuck Bishop 05-23-2023 05:36 PM

Not a bad idea Destry but it's above my pay grade! We don't need to own them, just be able to photograph them. Same with Galazan and the stock books that Remington has. Just need to photograph them.

Destry L. Hoffard 05-23-2023 05:51 PM

Obviously they aren't going to allow them to be copied, cause if they were it would have happened by now.

Perhaps a cash remuneration in tribute to their preservation of the history of the Parker Gun would purchase them though.

Last time I was aware, the PGCA was pretty well heeled. Maybe spending some of that cash to further the work the organization was founded to do might be a good idea.

Dean Romig 05-23-2023 07:09 PM

Personally I don’t think that will ever happen and Lawrence has said so.
But the one thing he didn’t say is that there are probably too many well kept secrets within those pages…





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Destry L. Hoffard 05-23-2023 07:12 PM

Everybody who was involved is dead, everybody whoever bought one of those guns is dead. I'm guessing the Delgrego family isn't millionaires, a strong cash offer might get it done.

Brian Dudley 05-24-2023 07:15 AM

I still wonder about back in 2013 at the annual meeting when two different people at the podium spoke about how the PGCA was going to be acquiring some of the missing records. It was not heard of again after that time. I would assume that whatever was supposed to be happening fell apart.

Andrew Sacco 05-24-2023 08:30 AM

Make him an offer he can't refuse

CraigThompson 05-24-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sacco (Post 389118)
Make him an offer he can't refuse

No , make him an offer the worst thing he can say is NO :whistle:

keavin nelson 05-24-2023 10:59 AM

While at the Southern I had a vendor ask me to look at a gun that wasn't on the table. Probably due to the Parker hat and vest badges, not that in impowers expertise! I am fairly certain it was an upgrade, and asked if he checked the book/site, he indicated no records available. It wore the familiar Delgrego colors. Perhaps the heart of the problem. But, let them that don't ask, have fond memories of not gotten any!:rolleyes:

John Davis 05-24-2023 12:15 PM

For the past 20 years I have served on either the board of directors of the PGCA or the Foundation. During that time both boards have considered all kinds of options and approaches to acquiring any and all of the known remaining records that we don’t already have. To date no avenues have been successful. I am certain that we will continue to pursue the records when opportunities present themselves, but based on my personal past experience I wouldn’t hold my breath that any of the parties on the other side of the equation will be willing to negotiate. Hopefully one day I’ll be proven wrong.

Bill Murphy 05-24-2023 12:28 PM

Making an "offer" is idiocy unless both parties are face to face and the books and the money are on site. Otherwise the offer is merely a free appraisal.

Chuck Bishop 05-24-2023 12:29 PM

John, have we told them we don't need to own them, just photograph them? We did tell the Remington Society that and they were receptive to that but they don't know what Remington intends to do with them at the present time.

Dean Romig 05-24-2023 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keavin nelson (Post 389139)
While at the Southern I had a vendor ask me to look at a gun that wasn't on the table. Probably due to the Parker hat and vest badges, not that in impowers expertise! I am fairly certain it was an upgrade, and asked if he checked the book/site, he indicated no records available. It wore the familiar Delgrego colors. Perhaps the heart of the problem. But, let them that don't ask, have fond memories of not gotten any!:rolleyes:


Keavin, that is exactly the scenario I had alluded to in my previous post on this thread.





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Andrew Sacco 05-24-2023 12:55 PM

There is one universal truth: EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE

Brian Dudley 05-24-2023 01:02 PM

The other universal truth is that eventually, everything is for sale.

The whole topic should be a reminder of how fortunate the PGCA and Parker enthusiasts are to have the records that they do. Other organizations have nothing or next to it.

Andrew Sacco 05-24-2023 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Dudley (Post 389151)
The other universal truth is that eventually, everything is for sale.

The whole topic should be a reminder of how fortunate the PGCA and Parker enthusiasts are to have the records that they do. Other organizations have nothing or next to it.

I belong to the Browning Collectors Association and it's pretty much a waste of $35 a year. There is little of substance, some ads, a few classified things for sale. The PGCA is hands down worth every cent due to the enthusiasm, history, records, knowledge and of course, PP magazine is second to none.

Andrew Sacco 05-24-2023 04:18 PM

Harry I get that, and you make a good point. But even with that said, it was meant not so much as a rip on the BGCA as much as a testament to how great the PGCA is. You've had some nice Brownings so I know you're a big fan. I just bought a 4 barrel Citori skeet set and I'm in love with it. I'm eyeballing a NIB Diana grade Superposed soon, not sure I can swing that one but that's one I would think is worth investing in (Broadway Trap he said..)

chris dawe 05-24-2023 07:22 PM

Why are these "other parties " so adamant that the pgca ,don't have access to these records?? ...that's the most childish crock of shit I ever heard tell of!

Bill Murphy 05-24-2023 10:02 PM

I don't understand Chuck's post. What is it that the Remington Society has that we want?

CraigThompson 05-25-2023 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Sacco (Post 389166)
Harry I get that, and you make a good point. But even with that said, it was meant not so much as a rip on the BGCA as much as a testament to how great the PGCA is. You've had some nice Brownings so I know you're a big fan. I just bought a 4 barrel Citori skeet set and I'm in love with it. I'm eyeballing a NIB Diana grade Superposed soon, not sure I can swing that one but that's one I would think is worth investing in (Broadway Trap he said..)

Congrats my first honest to God skeet gun was a Citori 4 barrel set !

Gary Carmichael Sr 05-25-2023 11:09 AM

I believe that the books that are in the hands of Remington, DelGreco, Galazan, and a couple others, when revealed , would answer a lot of questions as to authenticity! Gary

Destry L. Hoffard 05-25-2023 11:14 AM

I'm fairly certain the Delgrego Family aren't wealthy people. The right amount of money would likely shake them loose, particularly now that Babe has passed. Cash money, no bullshit, no questions.

Brian Dudley 05-25-2023 12:15 PM

Have at it Destry. Make the call.

Destry L. Hoffard 05-25-2023 01:01 PM

I don't have a handle on the purse strings of this organization, nor am I likely going to get ahold of them.

Bill Murphy 05-25-2023 06:16 PM

Does anyone know who bought the order book (or stock book) that was advertised and supposedly sold in North Carolina a not too long a time ago? That would have been a start, if anyone was paying attention.

Destry L. Hoffard 05-25-2023 06:54 PM

Murphy why didn't you make the organization aware of its availability if in fact there was a book for sale?

Brian Dudley 05-25-2023 07:05 PM

If I recall, that was one of the very early books. It was discussed here when it was on ebay. I think that Jeff Kuss bought it. And he brought it to Rock Mountain for anyone who wanted to see it.

The association had copies of the pages anyway.

Bill Murphy 05-26-2023 01:48 AM

If PGCA had copies of the pages, how did the original book get into the hands of the North Carolina paper dealer? I hope Jeff replies.

Brian Dudley 05-26-2023 07:34 AM

Here is the previous discussion on order book number 5 from when it was for sale in 2016. See Chucks comment on page 2.


https://parkerguns.org/forums/showth...ight=Book+ebay

Chuck Bishop 05-27-2023 10:46 PM

I'll take a guess, the BOD? They are listed in the Parker Pages.

Brian Dudley 05-27-2023 10:48 PM

Everyone knows that the Janitor in any company/organization is the one with the check book.

Jean Swanson 05-28-2023 10:29 AM

I will end the guessing----it is me for the last 20 + years & yes, I control the funds in both check books !!!!

There has been numerous attempts to acquire, copy, or gain access to the MISSING order books & to my understanding none have been successful.

I have been the Treasurer of the PGCA & Foundation for the past 20 + years---to make it clear---the PGCA is a 501c7 corp. & the PGCA Foundation is a 501c3 ( not for profit corp, with certain tax deductible advantages ).

I can be reached via phone at my home in Candia, NH @ 603-587-0544

Allan Swanson ----PGCA Invincible Member

allen newell 06-02-2023 11:39 AM

Keep trying. We just might get lucky one of these days

Destry L. Hoffard 06-02-2023 12:06 PM

I'd make a wild guess and say no monetary offer has ever been made just:

Wellllll waddaya want for em....

And

We just want photocopies really.

Alfred Houde 06-02-2023 01:10 PM

Different question. Does the PGCA have a working relationship or rapport with the Remington Society of America?

A dual/joint effort might be the ticket to uncover missing records/info.

Bill Murphy 06-02-2023 02:11 PM

If a third party has the missing books, Remington or RSA wouldn't be much help. We, yes we, have copied everything possessed by Remington and RSA doesn't enter into the discussion. Maybe it's time to repost the old thread that explains how we came to copy the records and what exactly we copied and how we did it.

Alfred Houde 06-02-2023 02:54 PM

I only brought up Remington and the RSA based on the Parker history with Remington. When I attended the Remington Armorer course back in 2001 one of the instructors told me that they held Parker records. I'm also familiar with the whole "Room that doesn't exist" story.

If the PGCA has already copied or obtained those, great.

Bill Murphy 06-02-2023 03:06 PM

Al, the PGCA Research Committee went to Ilion for a week in 1998 and copied tens of thousands of pages of order books, stock books, and IBM cards, a project initiated in 1997 by a smaller group. If the old thread gets reposted, the names of those involved will be mentioned.


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