Gun Transfers at Hausmann's
 

Does Ernie have a person on site to do FFL transfers? Thanks

I know there was a fellow there last year that did a few for me.

I talked recently with the PA Dealer that Ernie invites to his Northeast SxS and learned he’ll be at HH all three days to do Form 4473 transfers. His fee is $50. per gun as in the past.

FYI, just sayin that gun sales by PA Dealers to NY residents have gotten more complicated recently, to require an extra step for the Dealer to review the Form 4473 with a NYS? agent; and I know of several instances wherein the Dealer was on hold in queue for almost one hour. A local dealer told me he gives up after waiting for an inordinate time and declines doing the sale. Given that the phone service isn’t the best there at HH that may complicate things for gun sales to NY residents.

As a PA dealer, I will not sell pump and semi auto shotguns, handguns or rifles to NY residents. If we even violate the NY Un-SAFE Act, the Nazi AG Letitia James will go after everyone involved with the sale. Won't sell to NJ residents either. :corn:

Stick to pre-1897 guns only.





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The leftist jackwagons want to do away with that too. :banghead::cuss:

Kinda hard to enforce with so many already running under the radar :rotf:

Frank I have never heard of a review with a NYS agent. Does anyone know where that regulation is written??
There is a pending law in NYS to limit ammo purchases of all types to 80 rounds per month when the ammo background system goes live. If that passes This will kill the shooting sports in NYS. If this happens it will be the straw that breaks my back, I'm moving south.

Craig, I don't know where that's cited in the regs. But 3X now when a NY resident drove to buy a gun here in PA and did the Form 4473, the Dealer we used couldn't get the NICS check/approval without being sidelined to talk with an agent. Once that was 10 minutes on hold and two other times it took about 20 minutes. Another Dealer friend I shoot with told me that's taken up to an hour on hold, and now he's gotten to wait a few minutes and if not picked up by an agent he declines to handle the transfer. His rather crude comment was (paraphrased) time is money and it's not worth it.

Yeah. This is news to me. The transfers I have conducted recently have been business as usual.

And the NICS is a fed deal, i do not see them forwarding calls to a state agent. When a transaction requires further review (which is not a new thing). The call is placed on hold and sent to a NICS examiner. The difference being that the initial person is a call center employee. Who is outside contracted and their only job is to plug in the 4473 info into the computer and wait for the reply from the system. The NICS examiner is exactly that, an actual FBI employee who is there to actually look at the records that tripped concern and they then allow, delay or deny the transaction.

Sorry to hear about this Craig. When I read such ridiculous laws that do absolutely nothing to prevent crime, I think how fortunate that I am to live in the 603!

Steve, I'll trade you two 978's for one 603... :whistle:





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Sorry Dean, no can do :corn:

As they say in 603.... "Live Free Or Die"





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Ducks fly in the South.

As I’d written previously this side step happened 3X now when a PA Dealer did 4473’s for NY residents who drove to PA for guns I had for sale. I was told it also applies to Dealers doing 4473 approvals for residents of other states but I don’t know that for a fact.

Well they used to atleast . But now I think it’s a lot more debatable :rotf:

It's not a NYS agent that the check is turned over to. When we run a mandated check on the PICS system, a non-resident buyer check is kicked over to an operator. Therefore we wait until an operator is available, then we have to give them the out-of-state-buyer info and wait again as they do the check. I have had to wait up to 90-100 minutes on hold until final approval of the sale. If the check takes too long and you hang up you still have to pay the fee as all dealer info is punched into the system first, before it kicks over to the sale.

Our County Sheriff is a great guy and totally pro-2nd Amendment. He personally called every dealer in our County and told them to be wary of selling to NYS residents. He said we will be dragged into court in NYS by the AG if in any way the un-SAFE act is violated or any other draconian leftist anti-gun law is violated.

Ok. So this is a PA thing. PICS is a PA state system. We are not talking about the FBI NICS system.

No sir. We're under PICS. BTW, the hold music on the PICS system has been the same bad music for about 8 years!! :rotf:

I've had no problem buying guns under my C&R out of state, including PA, in person and on line. Five days ago bought a modern gun in PA from a reputable dealer and I was done in 5 minutes. Few weeks before that another PA dealer purchase for a modern gun was cleared in less than five minutes. Out of state purchase twice on modern guns, one from CA and one from MI, no issue at all last month. Twenty flats of ammo delivered to my FFL for a flat $10 fee from out of state, two weeks ago, no issue. There is such a thing as Chicken Little and such a thing as naive, but I choose to believe the truth lies somewhere between them. I choose to be objective about it and continue buying with what knowledge I have. There is little to no evidence the state has the manpower, the money, the infrastructure, the brains or the will to monitor every ammo purchase. I get those that refuse to sell to NY residents, just as I refuse to see patients whose insurance pays a paltry fee. I walked away from a nice British SxS at Hausmann's two years ago because he said my C&R was illegal, but went to another dealer who said, "Shit yeah, that's fine" and I walked out with a different gun. Likewise bought a gun at The Rock last year on my C&R, the seller saying, "Perfectly legit." There are two sides to every pancake I suppose. Refusing to sell to NY'ers is like saying I won't travel through PA because you idiots elected Fetterman. Phila is different than Montrose like NYC is different than Utica. Just my thoughts.

Craig's thread asked if there will be a PA 01 Dealer FFL at Hausmann's, presumably to do Form 4473 gun transfers for non-licensees and that's what most of the replies addressed.

Andy, as you know I too have a 03 C&R FFL. I've had very few problems buying guns on-line or in person at Hausmann's or other events. Yes there's the occasional instance when someone doesn't know what a C&R is, or won't accept it for some dubious reason. But in the main I've had it accepted for C&R guns almost always. Good to hear that your experiences recently with buying modern (non C&R) guns in PA with a Form 4473 went quickly and well.

If some of these people would read the information in the booklet the BATF sends out, they would find that a C&R holder IS an FFL licensee.

Why I was asking the question in the first place is I have a gun that a resident of VA may purchase at Hausmann's. I am a NY resident and was hoping Ernie would have a PA FFL on site to complete the Form 4373 and finish the transfer on site.
I have a C&R FFL but that does me no good on a sale.

The PA FFL holder would have to log it in/out of his A&D book OR check the boxes on the 4473 for completing a private party transfer. Either way he still has to run a PICS check.

Frank, the dealer, who will remain nameless regarding the British gun, wanted payment up front in cash if possible, then to take the gun BACK to his home state to have it shipped to my FFL within my state. So then I pay taxes, shipping and FFL fees. I asked him to take $150 off the price of the gun to which he belly laughed at me. Like the scene from Lonesome Dove with Tommy Lee Jones, I told him, basically, "I hate rude behavior in a man, I won't tolerate it." And walked away.