Galazan .410 bbls for 28 ga Reproductions
 

I couldn't find anything on Galazan's site about the .410 bbls they'll be selling in Sept. to fit on 28 ga Repro actions, so I called them. I asked them to weigh a set and then mount them on a 28 ga Repro and measure the gap between the bbls and forend. First they said they would, then when I called back they said there were none finished and I should call back in Sept. (which I will). Here's my question. Does it seem possible to make them weigh the same as the 28 ga bbls, and still fit the 28 ga forend wood with no gap? They assured me both of these would be true. I don't know how they can say that if they haven't even finished any yet :shock:. If they are wide enough to fit a 28 ga forend, especially a beavertail which is longer, wouldn't they have to be quite a bit heavier? What do you think?
Joe

I'd sure want to see a set fit to a gun before I bought them.

I don't see how it's possible. I'm with Dave on seeing a set fitted to a Repro before I laid my money down.

I have a original 410/28 with two forends
 

Parker reproductions always suplied a seperate for end for their 410 barrel set fitted to the 00 28gauge frames. All the guns I have seen for sale had 2 forends. My 410 set will take either forend and snap on O.K. but the 28 forend has 3/16 gap around the sides when in placed on the 410 set and does not look normal, to wide with a gap, Like a free floated barrel on a rifle. I do not think the galazan set can work properly, the barrels have to be the same size as the 28 set with 410 size bores or smaller 410 size barrels and have a small gap with the 28 for end. The 410/28 PG-Dt-SF set I own I have had for a year now....I figure the up cost for the 410 barrel set was 7500.00 in addition to the single barrel guns value. Im sure folks will not mind a small gap in the for end wood to save 5500.00 and still have a working 410 set of barrels. I hope thats the only issue/defect they may have. thanks all, Kenny Graft SXS ohio....(-: Im sure we will get some imput after their out.

Either a gap as Kenny describes or a good 16 oz. additional weight. It has to be one or the other . . . there's no gettin' by it.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I'll ask them for details in a few weeks and post whatever I find out (if anything) here.
Joe

I don't care what bad points the new barrels have, I'm going to give them a try.

Well, they did tell me they'd refund my money if I didn't like them :rolleyes:.
Joe

I would think they would refund your money only if they haven't been fit to a gun! I'd look into that before hand. I hope they turn out to be better quality than the last 16 ga. barrels, I would like to get a set too.

A visit to Galazan is in order...
 

I would recomend that the buyer take his 28ga. along with them to CSM and see the .410 barrels in person prior to any hard fitting...Check for end fit and get the weight of the barrels....at that point a desision could be made to buy and have them fitted to the frame. That said who is going??? thanks, Kenny Graft SXS ohio

PARKER 410 COMPLETE FOREND ON E-BAY
 

This may be help??? auction no= 200375906633 thanks Kenny

Maybe not since Galazan claims the .410 bbls will be contured to fit the 28 ga forend!
Joe

I will pitch in for gas !
 

I am definitely and wholeheartedly cheering you guys on. I really love the idea of a set of 28 ".410 barrels for my 28. They look good in the picture and you will never find a set of original .410 's laying around. The fit and weight would have to be checked out. I sure would'nt want to have them weigh 8lbs or anything. Now we just have to find all the spare parts lost in the flood (or did the pirates take them ? I forget) so we can all get forend wood and metal that will look nice ! Best,Paul

My understanding regarding the "lost" Parker repro parts is that after the insurance company paid the claim, they took possession of the "salvage", as is their right, and refused to sell the salvage, fearing future liability claims. I believe whatever remained was destroyed!

Has anyone received a set of these .410 barrels yet?
Website says they'll be available Sept. 1st.
As is everyone, I'm curious as to how they fit the 28 gauge Repro.

Like several others here, I too am very much interested in these .410 barrels, but have reservations about the fit and weight. Last nite I happened to take a careful look at the CSMC ad on the back cover of the current issue of Parker Pages and it states "These barrels are being built to order, if you do not order now you will not be able to get a pair. These are available for a VERY limited time."

So, if Tony gets "x" number of orders for a set of these barrels will he produce just this number of barrel sets or will he produce these plus several more sets for the procrastinators?

If they used the 16ga barrels they sold me as a demonstration model they would never sell one set. Maybe they are waiting to see if they can get enough orders before they set everything up to make them. If the fixed costs are high enough you'd think they'd go ahead and make a few extra while they have everything set up.

I'd have to agree with you on this Dave.
They shot well, but the fitting job was terrible.

Galazan 410 barrel set
 

Has anyone perchased a set? If so how do they fit and ballence?

I've got 3 sets on order, but none have been produced to my knowledge! I'm thinking Summer 2010!

Bill is correct--none have been produced yet.

Their ad for these replacement barrels states "These barrels are being built to order, if you do not order now you will not be able to get a pair. These are available for a VERY limited time." So not wanting to miss out on the opportunity to buy a pair or two, I called CSMC a few days ago to inquire about them. They told me that they were not yet built and that they were taking orders, I explained that I was looking to purchase a set, but had some reservations as to the fitting of my existing 28-ga. splinter forend wood
around the barrels, the doll's head fit and how much additional weight these .410 barrels would add. Their representative told me that if I was expecting a perfect fit that these barrels probably wouldn't be for me.

That's all I need to know :eek:

BINGO!

Has anyone received a set yet?

Someone on some gun site posted that Lou has told them that none would be finished in 2010.

That's kinda strange Bill, I spoke with a lady phone receptionist at CSMC about 2 weeks ago and was told by her that "they were currently in the shop and in production".

That really narrows it down....

Galazan's has also stated that after a certain date no orders would be accepted - it was either EOM January or February as I recall.

There is also some question as to Galazan fitting them properly and with precision to our guns.

Has anyone spoken with Tony or Lou recently to ask their current position on this venture?

Dean, I do not claim to be on-top-of-it, but I do have an interest in these barrels, so I've been keeping a keen eye and ear open regarding them---I have not heard that these Parker barrels had an ordering deadline other than what their ad in Parker Pages had stated: "These barrels are being built to order, if you do not order now you will not be able to get a pair. These are available for a VERY limited time." I did get a couple of e-mails from CSMC and have seen other ads that have stated their RBL offerings for order will be terminated on 1/31/10.

I want a set of the .410 barrels but I want them in my hands to fool around with before I commit to sending my gun anywhere for fitting. I want to give the fitting a shot before I let anyone else do it. The doll's head will be the biggest problem, as it was with the Krieghoff barrels.

Ditto that Bill. When I called CSMC a couple of weeks ago to inquire specifically about them Lou was backed up with customers, so I asked the office lady to request Lou or Tony to give me a call me back...I wanted to know--if I would order a set, would they send them to me in-the-white so I could first check for potential fit, if the fit looked promising (doll's head and forend) I would then have them engraved to match the breech end of my existing Repro's engraving and then I'd send them back to them for bluing...I haven't received a call back.

I wouldn't mind doing the same thing, getting a set in the white so I could file and engrave on them. Let me know when Tony or Lou gets back to you. Bill Murphy

Of course, they'd have my money before sending them out and it would be understood that they'd only issue a refund if I did not alter them in any way. What's wrong with that, given the reservations all of us have? Tony, Lou are you monitoring this thread?

Greg, I may have confused one ad with the other. I don't mean to throw gas of the fire without just cause.

Dean

Was the fitting problem with the original barrels making up the Repro 16/20 G sets (approximately 500) made by Krieghoff for Winchester or those commissioned by CSMC which were void of Krieghoff markings???
I have an original set of Krieghoff Winchester 16 G barrels that are unfitted and they look to be very simple to match with any 20G Repro I select.
Bob Jurewicz

I believe the "fitting problem" is in reference to the CSMC 16 ga barrels which, if I recall correctly, were made by Merkel. They are devoid of markings except for a serial number, guage, and chamber length on the barrel flats plus a frame size stamp on the lug.

We had to almost give away what we think was a factory two barrel set with Krieghoff barrels because the doll's head was so poorly fitted. I don't know if Krieghoff or Skeuse fitted them, I'm assuming Skeuse. Krieghoff had them white and unengraved and could have easily done a better job. I assume most of the 16-20 sets were much better.

Actually Bill, according to the Shotgun Sports article by Sisley it was reported that the barrels were fit by Krieghoff.
http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.p...pictureid=1027

There are several variables in fitting either a set of Krieghoff barrels or the CSMC/Merkel barrels to a Reproduction. Certainly one is the expertise of the person fitting them and the care in which the barrels are machined and filed. Another important consideration is the height of the barrel breeches from the flats to the topmost level of the dolls head extension as compared to the standing breech of the frame from the water tables to the upper extremity of the recess in the frame where the doll's head sits.

The lug, bolt plate and how they engage the guns bolt are important as well.... my gun won't lock up properly with the CSMC barrels. I've always wondered if they would work on a different 0-frame gun but have never tried it.

You're right Dave but I'm not sure it would make any difference which Repro frame they are fitted to. Barrel sets will usually fit between one Repro to another - the greatest issue might be the position of the lever, there being only the difference of one or two thousandths of an inch involved in 1/2" in lever position.

Describe the problem you are having in lock up?