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Wayne Faupel 02-07-2023 10:38 AM

Parker Reproduction DHE 410 with 28" barrels
 
I have recently acquired a Parker Reproduction 410 with a DHE stock and beavertial foreend and with what appears to be BHE 28" barrels ie engraving on the top of the near where the barrels join the receiver. The serial numbers are identical on the parts and start with 20-. The gun appears to be unfired as the action is tight. Did Winchester ever make any reproductions in this configuration?

Greg Baehman 02-07-2023 11:29 AM

With Parkers we have learned to say "Never say never", but I would say that your gun with a serial number 20-XXXX, is not original and did not come from the factory like that. Can you post pics, including a macro-pic of the barrel flats showing the serial number and the rear lug frame size as well as the stock and forend checkering? Where did you find this gun?

Richard Skeuse 02-07-2023 03:50 PM

Wayne Fauple
 
Hi Wayne. Please send me photos of the 410 barrels on the underside where they attach to the frame. I also would like to see photos is the serial number on the water table where the barrels attach to the gun. Serial numbers on the trigger guard and underside of the forend. And any other barrels or numbers you see. Thanks. Richard Skeuse

Wayne Faupel 02-07-2023 07:11 PM

Just got back to town. Will forward tomorrow morning

Richard Skeuse 02-07-2023 07:36 PM

410 barrels.
 
Thanks Wayne

Wayne Faupel 02-08-2023 02:57 PM

THe pictures are in an album called Parker DHE 410 ga after several o
hours of finding out how.
Wayne

Reggie Bishop 02-08-2023 03:17 PM

Very interesting .410 repro.

Scot Cardillo 02-08-2023 03:46 PM

Interesting indeed. What does your gun weigh, Wayne?

Ken Hill 02-08-2023 03:48 PM

Here’s a link to the pictures. https://parkerguns.org/forums/album.php?albumid=1061

Ken

Greg Baehman 02-08-2023 04:07 PM

From what I see the basis for this gun was a 20-ga. Parker Reproduction built on a 0-frame. (To my knowledge all original .410 Parker Reproductions were built on either a 00 or 0000-frame.) It appears the metal may have been bone charcoal case hardened. The barrels are aftermarket and not original to the gun, the barrel wedge engraving was added, the "Parker Gun Works Overload Proved" proof stamp may have been used by Remington for a time, (I believe Brian Dudley had shown us a picture of the actual stamp - not sure who has it now. I'm guessing the barrels may have been built by Remington or perhaps CSMC when they were producing .410 0-frame aftermarket barrels to be fitted to Parker Reproductions or orig. Parkers about a decade or so ago.

How well does the forend fit?

Perhaps others and/or Richard Skeuse can add more . . .

Wayne Faupel 02-08-2023 04:13 PM

Parker 410
 
The foreend fits very well as does the barrel to receiver. Whoever put this together put in some effort

Greg Baehman 02-08-2023 04:33 PM

I also believe the gun originally had a splinter forend. Parker Reproductions that came from the factory with a beavertail forend had jeweled (engine turned) forend metal on the barrel side.

Richard Skeuse 02-08-2023 05:00 PM

410 barred 20 guage
 
Hi guys. Having looked the gun and barrel over I can say that it is NOT a Parker Reproduction 410 barrel. That gun started out as a 20 ga with a splinter forend. I don’t know the 20 ga barrel length that was originally on it. As several have mentioned the 410 barrel is a “Parker Gun Works” barrel. In my opinion if someone wants that for your gun I don’t see it as a collector added value. The wall thickness on the breach must be very thick to move the barrels to the center of the firing pin hole and to the edges of the frame so it fits. The engraved barrel wedge on the breach end I can not see. Hopefully Wayne will be happy with it. Good luck!!

Scot Cardillo 02-08-2023 05:19 PM

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The wall thickness on the breach must be very thick to move the barrels to the center of the firing pin hole and to the edges of the frame so it fits.

That's why I wondered what the weight of the gun is. There was a set of barrels from the same manufacturer listed for sale on GI some time back, but they weren't fitted to a gun.

Richard Skeuse 02-08-2023 05:36 PM

410 barrel weight
 
Hi guys. I have a set of 410 barrels but don’t have a small enough scale. I’ll go into the office in the next few day and let you know what they weigh.

Bill Murphy 02-08-2023 05:49 PM

Scot, where did those barrels come from? Why aren't there more out there?

Scot Cardillo 02-08-2023 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 381909)
Scot, where did those barrels come from? Why aren't there more out there?

No clue (Remington perhaps?). And, I have no idea what's out there. I did wonder if Wayne's gun was fitted w/the set pictured in my post but there are differences in the stamping, so apparently not.

Greg Baehman 02-08-2023 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 381909)
Scot, where did those barrels come from? Why aren't there more out there?

There are more of them out there, we've discussed them a few times previously. Here's one of those previous discussions, including a pic of the stamp that stamped them: https://parkerguns.org/forums/showth...ighlight=stamp

David Noble 02-08-2023 08:35 PM

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Although the stamp that Brian showed was very similar, it was not the stamp that was used on the barrels in this thread. In this picture you can see that there are differences in font size, letter shapes and spacing between the arched parts and the center part.

Bill Murphy 02-09-2023 08:58 AM

28"? Weren't the Galazan .410 barrels 28"?

Greg Baehman 02-09-2023 09:44 AM

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28"? Weren't the Galazan .410 barrels 28"?

Yes, the Galazan .410 barrels made for Parker Reproductions were 28" long, but according to these advertisements they were only available in a 00-frame size. They were initially offered at $1895.00 per pair, then went to $3995.00 and finally $4800.00.

Bill Murphy 02-09-2023 11:22 AM

The barrels we are discussing are 00 frame, with 0000 markings, as about all 00 frame Repro barrels were marked.

Scot Cardillo 02-10-2023 09:12 AM

Although I'd prefer to have them on a 28ga frame, I must say..I would love to have a set of .410 barrels properly fit to a 20ga!! And to have a btfe that fits the ensemble (even w/a splinter iron) to boot..pffft, count me in.

You have a very interesting (and desirable) Parker Repro, Wayne - congratulations on the find. I'd be looking to find me a splinter fe to complete the set if it was mine..just sayin'.

Dean Romig 02-10-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Skeuse (Post 381810)
Hi Wayne. Please send me photos of the 410 barrels on the underside where they attach to the frame. I also would like to see photos is the serial number on the water table where the barrels attach to the gun. Serial numbers on the trigger guard and underside of the forend. And any other barrels or numbers you see. Thanks. Richard Skeuse

Additionally, a picture of the top of the gun with barrels closed so we can see the fit of the doll's head into the frame. This fit is one of the hardest to make fit perfectly when fitting an add-on set of barrels.




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