New 8 gauge paper hulls
 

Took about 3 weeks but these finally came in there were some setbacks but I am impressed with how well made these are. They come 4 1/4" long so you can trim them to any 8 gauge chamber length.

They are easy to trim and fit my gun perfectly.

how much was the total cost...a few 8 ga had 4 1/4 inch chambers wish I had one....good looking paper hulls....charlie

I think it was $120/10 in total but the majority of that was the international shipping.

Wow! What's the source on them? I'll share with my English friends.

https://www.fawcettsonline.com/produ...re-paper-case/

To me paper hulls go hand in hand with a sxs. I wanted at least a few I could use I will order more next time. They have some nice 4 bore paper cases as well.

I don't understand why would you buy them at $5.00 each plus shipping???

Because they're amazing.

I wanted some 8 gauge paper cases I could use mostly for aesthetic reasons I really like paper cases.

Pretty cool. Paper hulls are great

NOTHING smells like a fresh fired paper hull in the morning!

They roll crimp easy enough, I need to lube the crimper a little bit.
The Fiocchi case heads must be easy enough to buy across the pond as they list them in their catalog for 1200 hulls in a bag for the 8 gauge. Tom mentions in his book that Alan Myers had gotten Fiocchi to make a small run of 4.5" 8 gauge magnum cases.

Those look great Milton! I am going to have to find an 8 gauge soon as I am very jealous.

Anyone with a source for paper 10 ga?

There's just something nice about a paper shotshell. I know one guy who uses these loaded up with bismuth or tungsten matrix in his 4 1/4" chambered 8 bore double for wildfowl. I think you could fit alot of cushion wadding in the 4 1/4" case even with heavy loads about 4 or 5 cushion wads by my count with 2 1/4oz of lead.

I know of one that sells a kit to make your own paper 10 ga hulls. These 8 bore paper cases look like they somehow disassemble the Fiocchi factory cases and replace the plastic tube with a paper one as they look to retain the factory base wad. The tubes themselves must be machined made as they look pretty flawless and consistent hull from hull and are smooth.

I have seen some interesting homemade paper hulls but seems the paper quality is always a bit off with those. With a good quality case head you would think you could reuse the case head and replace the tubes as needed.

milt your hulls really look good loaded now we want to know how they shoot...I have a Remington arrow brand of a shoebox full of new old stock paper hull theres 50 in the box its never been opened but I have been tempted several times to open it and look at them...charlie

I think the Bird Sheriff will get you for shooting the King's ducks with an 8 ga. I think the Fed outlawed anything bigger than a 10 for migratory birds about the end of WWI. I know that's an issue here in Texas.

Charlie are these loaded with the old 57 primer? Could probably modify them to use 209s I have seen it done with hulls that use pistol primers. I dont think I could resist not loading them haha. Though those unopened Arrow hulls are probably worth some money.

Im waiting to hear back on a 8 ga wad punch, id like to be able to make some retro style overshot cards.

The 8s are still legal across the pond though they are phasing out lead and pretty much all plastics well non organic plastics etc. If you really wanted to you can take a 8 gauge over with you to use it on wildfowl.

We still have plenty here in GA the 8 ga is legal for all small game and varmints and non native species etc.

It would be a great turkey gun. Didn't a PGCA member(s) petition and succeed in getting 8 gauges accepted in a state or two out west for turkey hunting? Maybe Arizona or New Mexico?

There also seems to be an 8 gauge shoot at a few of the major sxs events now. Plenty of opportunities to shoot them at both targets and certain species. I need to get on board and get one :)

It took about two years working with AZ Game and Fish commission and a sign off by the Governor to allow the use of shotguns larger than the 10 gauge to be used for harvesting Game in AZ.
The ruling of course does not change the Federal restrictions on Migratory birds.
I have shot pigeons, and Eurasian dove as well as a coyote in AZ.
I Have shot Several Merriam's turkeys in New Mexico as well as an Osceola turkey in Florida using one of my 8 gauges.
I just can not seem to draw a Goulds turkey tag in AZ which was my primary goal when I set out to get approval for its use.
Maybe next year.
I currently own just one 8 gauge, a WC Scott. I had thoughts of taking an elk but I may have set that goal a little to late in life. Packing an 8 gauge around at 6 or 7000 feet can flat wear you out.
I do love the looks of those paper shells.

Toms load for a 2oz roundball at 1500 fps would probably work for elk if you have a cyl choked or rifled 8 gauge. You just need to find a 8 gauge in the 9lb-10lb range perfect for backpacking haha. Really the only state ruling we have when it comes to size limits for shotguns is small game has a 3.5" maximum case length for whatever reason.

Something I noticed about these paper hulls is they come already resized but it looks like whatever method they use they are actually removing the industrial ring from the brass not just swaging it down, gives the brass a bit more factory look I think. I should see if they can do different colors for the paper I think some blue paper 8 gauge hulls would be neat.

I don't know if these hull use rem. 57 primers or not I have some shells just like them that are loaded I will see what primers they use....charlie

Milton and Charlie, the old Winchester paper shells I used back in the '60s, which I still have, use a separate brass base layer to fit the cannons. The Remington 57 primer fits these. However, when you peel off the base layer, a 209 fits. The separate base is pressed right into the primer hole. How about that.

did not know this bill I have never had one of these early Winchester 8 ga industrial shells...I have some 4 ga industrial slugs I need to look and see what primer they use....charlie

I was given forty plus of the old WIN paper industrial shells loaded with Blue Dot and if my memory is correct 2 3/8 ounces shot . And yes I shot them all at skeet in my PH . They thumped you pretty well . I loaded them again and fired some at Sanford last year but got some poppers . I suppose they were on their last legs .

I worked up punkin ball and slug loads in the hammer 8 I got from you . I got what I thought was “good enough” accuracy at 30 yards for deer . I would “think” for an elk you “might” be able to add ten yards to the equation . However having owned several W&C Scott’s , all the ones I had were stamped on the underside of each barrel “not for ball” . The 12 and 20 Scott’s I had no intention of shooting a ball or slug , however in the 10 I wanted to but never did . The inside muzzle diameter of my Scott 10 and a Parker 10 are usually 15-20 thousandths difference with the Scott being smaller .

I am waiting on my first 8 gauge, and it may be what you are wanting.

It too is a W.C. Scott & Sons, but is a single shot. Carries the London address. It has one of the most beautiful sculpted actions I have seen. Built about 1872, and supposedly has resided in Boston for most of its life. It was with the same family for over 100 years before hitting the market. Barrel is 32", balanced on the hinge and weighs 9-3/4 pounds. Finish is overall excellent. It looks like a SBT on steroids.

After examining and measureing the barrels,I would be interested in a recipe for some ball cartridges. I am having cataract surgery tomorrow, and it should be here while recuperating. I will wait a bit before touching off a lightweight 8 bore, though.

Due to the shotgun I just mentioned, I ordered and recieved 75 or so 8 gauge industrial hulls new and unprimed. Got them on GB for a little over $1 per hull. I already have 25 of the Parker Headstamped brass shells I got on sale.

The hulls on GB were Black Remington hulls. I had read a lot of posts about swaging these and all sorts of work to use them. I read this thread and took a couple to my shop. I chucked one up in my lathe 3 jaw chuck and took an easy cut off the outside of the rim. As soon as it separated, the head side and inner side separated and I pulled the two pieces off with my fingers. Easy as pie. There is apparently a small gap under the rim fold over, and the inner rim is not touched. Hiding underneath is a perfectly normal Black Remington 8 gauge hull. Just no headstamp. Apparently when they make them, they take a normal hull and swage crimp a thin brass cup over the complete head, then punch it through into the primer pocket. No mechanical attachment at all.
The primer is looser, but the new hulls would benefit from a primer pocket conditioner.I did 4 more to test, and they took about 30 seconds per hull.

I would like to try to put together some various test loads, but I only have the brass hulls and 7 gauge wads. I need to get some 8 guge wads for the plastic. I would like to get a few SP8 or Gualagies, but no one has any that I can find.

I suspect that you could roll the rim of the hulls against a beltsander and do a good job removing the outer shell, but the lathe is more precise and faster.

Ah so you bought those new black Remington hulls I think there was 78 of them on gunbroker for $1 a piece. Just be sure with the guqlandi wad which version you buy. I have a bag of sp8s but don't really use them can't really find a reason to. Resizing the industrial hulls is easy enough I suppose doing it on a lathe makes for a cleaner looking hull. Reloaders network has added some new 8 gauge tools like a hull conditioner primer pocket and a 6 pin roll crimper.

These shotguns are looking very good please share your reviews with us.

Actually, I measured the hulls and found there was not a lot difference between the hull bases and those of a brass shell to spec. There is quite a difference between the industrial rim diameter and the spec. Most old guns might accept this ok, but my luck would be a tight chamber. The rim is also thicker by two thicknesses of the overlay. I don't have a swage and would have to fabricate one or buy something, and I do have a lathe. The rim would still be a potential problem. As easy as it turned out to do, I can do probably three boxes in an hour and have perfectly stock shells.

If you can spare some or all of the SP10's, send me a PM. I am having cataract surgery this afternoon, so it may be a day or two until I respond.

Milton, how are you going about getting load data? Are you sending them off to Tom or modifying existing loads?

Thanks

The paper hulls will need some load development they probably have a little less internal volume compared to the Win or Rem 8 ga hulls. Side note on the paper hulls they are a bit sturdier than the plastic hulls the material whatever type of paper they use doesn't deform as easily as the plastic. They do roll crimp identically to the Rem hull so I am wondering if the 6 pin crimper would work better on them.

I use Toms data for bluedot and the Win hulls except I use fiber wads.

Many thanks Milton. I love the look and feel of paper hulls. I will be ordering a few up for myself and really appreciate you passing along the website.

Are you talking about the six point crimp from reloaded network? I’ve been eyeballing that one as the one I have from BP doesn’t do so well with the Winchester super x paper hulls I have.

Do you just swap the fiber one to one for Toms loads?

The specific load I am talking about is the first one on page 80 in Toms book.
He lists it as 9600 psi but should be a good deal less without buffer and the plastic wad. The Fawcetts paper hulls should work a bit better than the Win paper ones as they have a plastic basewad. I have one of the Winchester paper hulls I cut the old crimp off and re-rolled it out of curiosity. I have had good luck with the BPI roller on the Remington hulls also.

It took me 3 weeks to get the paper hulls but considering they have to be shipped from England and at the time Fawcetts was closed for a week because their whole staff had covid. These days though a 3 week wait on reloading components isnt that bad :rotf: . The factory crimp on the Winchester paper was a bit wonky but then again they were made to be pulled apart not fired as it was a powder sampler case. I read Winchester did this to skirt paying hazmat on shipping powder. Winchester cant seem to stop using their industrial products to skirt the law lol.

Art heres how my Remington hulls resize. From what I can tell really all you need is a 23.5mm hole to push the case into. Homedepot has a 23.5mm boring bit I plan on getting to make another sizing die. I believe Wayne made this resizing die and he is one hell of a machinist pardon the language. The sleeve job he did on his sxs rifle is the best I have seen.

That looks good. I checked the dimensions, and it looks to me like 23.5 mm is a little big. All the new cases I have seem to measure about .912 to .914. I am guessing that to get right on, the best plan would be to use a 0.875 (7/8) hole then bore them to the exact dimension. Looked on eBay and found that a common item is a Heim rod fitting for custom suspensions. I ordered a set of two for $15. They are threaded for 7/8 studs inside and are 1-1/4" outside with a 1-1/2" hex flange on one end. Inside bore to .912 and thread the outside to 1-1/4 thread and you have a resizing die. I think I will make 2; one tapered for the first 1/2 inch to make the entry easier and the second straight walled to take the sizing all the way to the rib.

My chambers are .925 which comes out to 23.5mm, I have been told American 8 gauges can run tight on the chambers though but I have never measured one. Toms in his book talks about measurements on old 8 gauge rounds and he got .924-.925 but they may have been English hulls I dont think he mentions the brand. My sizing die has one side that is a little tighter then the .925 side. The Winchesters I can resize in one motion with very little lube. The Remingtons I have to do in 2 stages and they have to be greased up a bit. The rim on the Rems are a bit chunky so sometimes I will have to run them back through the die. I dont have any sort of reloading press I just use a 1 ton arbor press for everything I need. Though I think you could probably resize the Winchesters using the downward stroke on the drill press. They dont take much to swage down, probably because the brass is one piece compared to the 2 piece Remingtons.