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allen newell 03-07-2022 01:22 PM

Avg weight of 20 ga Repros w/28 inch barrels straight stock
 
Any idea what the average weight of 20 ga Parker Repros, straight stocks with 28 inch barrels?

I just weighted one of mine on my digital bathroom scale and it showed 7 lbs.
I've never bothered to calibrate the scale but my gut tells me that unless the difference in weight varies based on the wood, my sense is that the average weight of these should be less.

Anyone care to opine?

Bob Jurewicz 03-07-2022 04:48 PM

Most 20 GA Repros I have seen or owned weighed about 6 3/4 lbs. That said, I have one with St Stk, Spt and 26 Q1/Q2 that weighs 6lbs 3.8oz.
Bob Jurewicz

Dean Romig 03-07-2022 04:54 PM

I always thought the 20 gauge Repros were inordinately heavy compared to original 20 gauge guns, all else being the same. I had a 20 ga. straight stock, BTFE, with 28" barrels I considered a bit heavier than I would have liked.






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Brian Dudley 03-07-2022 05:34 PM

20g guns were cataloged at 6-1/2 lbs. And that is with 28” barrels.

Bob Jurewicz 03-07-2022 05:55 PM

Brian,
all manufacturers catalogs lie

Brian Dudley 03-07-2022 06:04 PM

Well, the question was “average weight”. So I would say that is the best thing to go off for speculation sake. Printed manufacturer specifications.

Bob Jurewicz 03-07-2022 06:09 PM

OK
I surrender

allen newell 03-07-2022 06:43 PM

I'll get my 20 weighed on a calibrated scale. We have one at the shop

Greg Baehman 03-07-2022 06:46 PM

The weights of Parker Reproductions are listed as nominal weight in the brochures, not average weight -- that's why 26" and 28" guns can weigh nominally the same. If one can be so lucky to own a 20ga. Repro w/28" bbls. that actually weighs less than 6lbs. 8oz., I'd say he found that needle in the haystack.

allen newell 03-08-2022 08:53 AM

Just weighed 2 Parker Repro's as noted below for comparison purposes. Weighed on a certified scale.

1. Parker Repro 20 ga w/28 inch barrels - 6 lbs 12 oz.
2. Parker Repro 20 ga w/26 inch barrels - 6 lbs 9 oz.

For further comparison:
Parker Trojan 20 ga. w/26 inch barrels - 6 lbs 6 oz

James L. Martin 03-08-2022 10:16 AM

Compared to my 2 originals a 20ga 28" VH at 6lb 3 oz and 20ga 28" Trojan at 6lb 2oz

Scot Cardillo 03-08-2022 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Baehman (Post 357860)
The weights of Parker Reproductions are listed as nominal weight in the brochures, not average weight -- that's why 26" and 28" guns can weigh nominally the same. If one can be so lucky to own a 20ga. Repro w/28" bbls. that actually weighs less than 6lbs. 8oz., I'd say he found that needle in the haystack.

That's interesting, and it never occurred to me that a 28" 20ga under 6-1/2 lbs would fall that far out of the norm.

I have a 20ga with factory 28" 20ga barrels that weighs-in at 6# 7.4oz.

That drops to 6# 3oz. with the 16ga 28" factory barrels installed.

Here's a picture

Greg Baehman 03-08-2022 06:31 PM

Not only did you find that needle in the haystack Scot, you have found an even smaller needle in the haystack with your 20ga. Repro w/28" bbls. factory choked IC/M. Your Repro is one rare bird, maybe even beyond rare. Have you or others ever previously seen a 20ga. w/28" bbls. factory choked IC/M before? I have not.

Congratulations! :cheers:

edgarspencer 03-08-2022 07:58 PM

I just sold a 6 lb 1.6oz 28" DHE to a member. My remaining 28" DHE is 6 lbs even, and my two trigger 26" DHE is 5lbs 14oz. I have a single trigger DHE with 26" barrels that weighs 6lb,3 oz.
A friend recently bought two identical 26" 20ga. Reproductions. One is 6lb, 8oz, the other is 6lb, 10oz.

Greg Baehman 03-08-2022 08:20 PM

The differences in weights of Parkers vs. Parker Repros has got to come from somewhere -- like wall thickness, forend size and shape, LOP, SSBP, etc. Although 20ga. Repros are, more often than not, a few ounces heavier than Meriden Parkers, it's not always the case.

Gordon Gekko once said "Greed is good." He could have followed that up with "A little added weight could also be good."

Harold Lee Pickens 03-08-2022 08:44 PM

Always heard Repro 20's were on the heavy side. I have 2 26" guns a DHE 16 and a VH 20 that both weigh 6 lbs even matching their letters. My 28" PH 20 with Parker Steel barrels is a beefy 6lbs 12 oz.

Gary Laudermilch 03-08-2022 09:13 PM

I have one 28" 20 but it has a BT forend and it weighs in at a fraction of an ounce under 7 pounds. Interestingly, my 12 in the same configuration only weighs 7-2.

Scot Cardillo 03-09-2022 10:45 AM

I just didn't realize that a 28" PR under 6.5 lbs. would have been that difficult to find, and yes the configuration I have does not seem to come up everyday so I guess in that sense it may be on the rare side. I recall, from reading the forum, that there are some 28" IC/MOD 20ga barrels out there, but not that many. This particular one is a pg and has a single trigger and splinter f/e.

I have one other 20 ga (w/splinter, sg, and dt) that weighs 6# 10oz. w/26" barrels It sounds to me that Parkers were simply available at 6 lbs or less, whereas the pr's just never seemed to get there. I have perused a fair number of original Parkers in 20 ga fs and I seem to find the ones that are over 6 lbs, and therefore more in-line w/the PR's. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places.

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Edited to add: I mis-spoke and Greg astutely caught the mistake. I do not have 28" 20ga barrels choked IC/MOD, they are choked Q1/Q2. There are other 28" Q1/Q2 barrels out there for the 20ga., but I have not ever come across 28" 20ga. barrels marked IC/MOD.

Greg Baehman 03-09-2022 11:12 AM

Edited post and started a new thread so as not hi-jack this one.

edgarspencer 03-09-2022 10:12 PM

Things that make you go Hmmm
 
I spent way too much time taking guns apart and weighing pieces today, but it gave me a little clearer idea of things:rotf:

With the idea in mind that Receivers may make up some of the variations, I weighed all my 0 frame gun receivers, and here goes:

DHE with SSBP, 2lbs, 15.4oz. (DT)
DHE with SSBP, 3lbs, 0.4oz. (Parker Single Trigger)
DHE with SSBP, 3lbs, 3.2oz. (DT)
VH with DHBP, 2lbs, 15.4oz (DT)
VH with DHBP, 3lbs, 1.4oz (DT)
DH (16ga)with SSBP, 3lbs, 2.6oz.

Max Deviation was 3.8oz in six different receivers. All guns were Meriden Mfg. So much for the idea receivers are the source of the variation.

I then compared 2 Titanic barrels, both 26" 20ga 2lbs, 7.2oz, and 2lbs, 8.6oz. (Hmm, 1.6oz of extra solder?)

I then threw my postal scale in the truck and went to my buddy's house and weighed two identical 26" 20ga Reproductions, straight stock, single trigger:
Gun #1(20-27xx) weighed 6lbs, 5.8oz.
Receiver: 3lbs, 0.2oz,
Fore End:6.4oz,
Barrels:2lbs 15.2oz

Gun #2 (62X, NOT 20-62X) Weighed 6lbs, 9.6oz.
Receiver: 3lbs 3.2oz
Fore End: 6.8oz
Barrels: 2lbs 15.6oz

ED J, MORGAN 03-09-2022 10:17 PM

You are also weighing two different types of stock wood. Claro vs European ??

Greg Baehman 03-09-2022 10:33 PM

It appears most of the weight variation between the Meriden Parkers and the Repros were in the barrels, I assume because of wall thickness. While you were at it I wish you would have compared the Meriden splinter ejector forends with the Repro forends -- probably an ounce of two there, too.

edgarspencer 03-10-2022 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Baehman (Post 358089)
While you were at it I wish you would have compared the Meriden splinter ejector forends with the Repro forends --

Reproduction Fore Ends, both Splinter:

62X: 6.8oz
20-27xx: 6.6oz

Meriden FE, Splinter, Ejector:

216,xxx: 6.7oz
229,xxx: 6.9oz
225,xxx: 7.3oz

edgarspencer 03-10-2022 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ED J, MORGAN (Post 358086)
You are also weighing two different types of stock wood. Claro vs European ??

I am aware of that Ed. The two VH stocks are straight, and the 4 D grades are PG. The reason I included them was for comparison between each other, not comparison to the D grades. They are dimensionally identical.

The 3 DHE stocks are with 1/18" of each other, but the longer one is also the lightest..

Greg Baehman 03-10-2022 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 358115)
Reproduction Fore Ends, both Splinter:

62X: 6.8oz
20-27xx: 6.6oz

Meriden FE, Splinter, Ejector:

216,xxx: 6.7oz
229,xxx: 6.9oz
225,xxx: 7.3oz

Thanks for posting the comparisons, Edgar. I am mildly surprised the Meriden forends weigh virtually the same as the Repros despite them having less wood.

tom tutwiler 03-13-2022 06:50 AM

I know longer have the gun, but had a double trigger, 20 gauge Repro with a straight grip with splinter forearm. Weight was 6 lb 12 oz. Killer Claro walnut. I got rid of it because of the weight. I was an avid grouse hunter at that time and it was just too heavy to haul up and down the mountains. This was probably at least 10 years ago. PS. Sold it to a guy in Pa. Chokes were mod/full.


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