Something seems off about this grade 5 10 ga
 

So I was scrolling though GI and saw this perhaps could be a interesting project gun (not for me) those chambers seem a bit off though?

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...01874213#lg-14

Does this look like its been restored ? kind of odd though if it was and they didnt bother to fix the barrels.

What a shame! That was a nice gun at one time.

Are the barrels numbered to the gun?

That $1500 isn’t a bad price for the basis of a project gun. What’s the serial number? Might answer the chamber length question (though I doubt it). Were pheasants even legal game when that gun was made? It looks like that pheasant may have been added sometime later?

The seller says “a bit off face”… boy I’ll say it is!!!





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I agree, Dean. Definitely a different engraver on that non-Parker looking pheasant.

Maybe Mills can bring this one back...or Millton.:)

SN: 28834

That really is a damn shame. The price is attractive, and it would have been a steal if it was before whoever got their hands on it. Though it may still be attractive to some at that price point, the damage has been done in many ways and it would be a money pit to try and put it right again.

And that pheasant is just hideous.

Whenever I think of doing a project and start looking at the $$$ I say to myself eh I could buy another 8 gauge for that. Im kind of a odd one out as I prefer the minimal engraving on the grade 1s and 0s although the sculpted bolsters on the higher grade guns are beautiful.

I think the D 12 hammer gun they have listed has had the same person working on it but not a bad looking gun for the money

Hopefully the chamber length is a typo or mistake. The pheasant looks all wrong.

Milton, did you see the photos I took and posted for you and Charlie? Check the "Other Fine Doubles" section for some 8s and 4s...and even bigger guns.

I havnt looked yet, I have been drooling over all the big bores Josh keeps listing :rotf:

So far in I guess about the past 10 years I have seen 2 short 10 gauges that have been punched out to 3.5" magnum, barrel integrity aside looking at how petite my 3 frame is in the wrist I couldnt see firing a 3.5" load through it even if it had the chambers. I do recall one Parker 3 frame 10 ga magnum I seen and the stock had been greatly beefed up not sure if that was a factory gun or a personal project.

Look at all the other guns they listed new this week. They must have taken in a collection or something. There is a lot of grade model 11 remingtons!

Sadly most of the guns have been butchered up pretty badly.

In my experience, neglect is a lot easier to fix than abuse and abuse by a gunsmith who does not know what they are doing is the worst.

This gun may have some interesting history to it. According to Fold3 there were 3 "J.F. Shackelfords" in the Civil War. One was an enlisted Confederate Private from Enterprise, MS (19 miles from Meridian), another was a Confederate Captain/Assistant Surgeon in the Virginia 48th Infantry and no info on the third one. Would love to see a letter on this gun.

I called on the gun this morning and it, and I believe the grade 3 hammer gun have been sold.

oh man, those rascals at Cabela's are at it again.

I have two early 10's with true 9 gauge barrels and neither of them will take a Brownells chamber gauge at any depth over the 2-5/8". There is no way with either 9 or 20 gauge bores they weren't rechambered.

When I first looked at that pheasant I knew it looked too recent. To me it looks like a Runge engraving and I can’t say it’s not.

Now I read this by Kevin McCormack and I’m even more convinced. But without documentation, who’s to say?


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I did not buy the guns, in case anyone was wondering.

If the work is by Runge, that would help. As has been said, the cost of undoing poor "restoration" exceeds fixing neglect. I have some other irons in the fire anyway.

Smart decision IMO Mills.

The fence looks like some others I have seen from the era. Thought it looked like my C 10 but it is a little different

I know a somewhat sprawled out family of Shacklefords that live in SE AR , SW MS and NE LA . I’d be curiouse to find out if there was any relation .

You can order a research letter on it if you know the serial number.

I’ve done it a few times.





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I wonder if this bad boy was a 3 frame a 4 frame or a 5 frame ?

I contemplated doing the same thing . And my plan worked , I waited to long and someone else got it :whistle:

I was wondering too if it was perhaps a #4 frame seems the few 4 frames I have seen were higher grade 10 gauges in the 10+lb range. Ideally a 4 frame 10lb gun should be balanced closer to center than a 3 frame. Wonder if they ever thought of just adding a counter balance in the stock of a heavy barreled 3 frame to get a similar result.