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Bruce P Bruner 06-24-2021 08:35 PM

Gun store find today: 1887 L.C. & 1902 Lefever
 
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I occasionally stop in a local gun shop because they take in consignments and their pricing is very fair. Today they had a 1887 Syracuse manufactured L.C. Smith in Grade 3 with 32" Damascus barrels with pristine bores. It had some remaining case colors and the butt stock had very nice wood. The Silvers pad has seen better days, but for $500 I had to take it home.
While the paperwork was being completed I saw a hammerless sidelock that caught my eye. I looked it over and well gosh, an ejector gun! Fluid steel 30" barrels with pristine bores and the factory butt plate. The tag said $300, so I said, "Add this one on also." It turns out to be a 1902 date of manufacture Lefever. I'll share some quick photos and let's have some fun with your comments about my splurge today.

Bruce P Bruner 06-24-2021 08:53 PM

Photos:
 
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More photos of today's "Shooter Quality" double barrels.

Mills Morrison 06-24-2021 08:54 PM

Great finds

Fred Slyfield 06-24-2021 08:55 PM

Great finds!!

Wayne Owens 06-24-2021 09:00 PM

Exciting day! I would leave the Silvers pad alone. It isn't in that bad of shape.

Bruce P Bruner 06-24-2021 09:32 PM

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LC's Rib:

Harold Lee Pickens 06-24-2021 10:19 PM

money well spent. Good for you

Garry L Gordon 06-25-2021 07:46 AM

Now go buy a lottery ticket, ‘cause you are on a role!

keavin nelson 06-25-2021 08:12 AM

Ditto on the lotto ticket! Great finds, I haven't seen that many fluid steel Lefevers, more were made with Damascus.

Bruce P Bruner 06-25-2021 09:27 AM

Photos & Questions:
 
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The breach face on the L.C. has bushed fireing pins. They are not particularly flush with the breech face. I can remedy the observation, but are they original? They are certainly worn, so apparently they haven't caused any problems. The barrels lock up tight when closed with shells inserted.
I'm assuming the Lefever is a Grade 1, however the stamp is "I". I'm not aware of a Grade "I". It must be a "one".
Would a Grade 1 Lefever have to be ordered with ejectors? Perhaps some were randomly fitted.

Jones Cahill 06-25-2021 11:16 AM

I Grade
 
It is an "I" grade. About 1902. Don't know about ejectors.
Jones

Harold Lee Pickens 06-25-2021 12:09 PM

Yes, there was a grade I Lefever,, almost the same features as the Durstan Special, and it had fluid steel barrels. It was a bottom grade gun, but nice.

Wayne Owens 06-25-2021 08:33 PM

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Here is a grade 3 in the 16000 serial number range which also has the firing pin bushings. All original.

Drew Hause 06-26-2021 09:51 AM

While admiring the guns, I'm not a Lefever guy. But wasn't the Durston Special the 'I' grade?

1907 hardware store catalog. No 'I'

https://photos.smugmug.com/US-Makers...0catalog-L.jpg

1913 the Durston Special now listed as the 'I' grade

https://photos.smugmug.com/US-Makers...ever%203-L.jpg

1917 E.C. Simmons catalog; 'I' again

https://photos.smugmug.com/US-Makers...ver%20ad-L.jpg

Drew Hause 06-26-2021 10:01 AM

I believe the left bushing has rotated out, and the hole may have been peened at some time previously to prevent it. About 1895 a copper alloy set screw was added to prevent the problem.
The bushing needs to be flush or it will crack.

https://photos.smugmug.com/LC-Smith/...ns%20003-M.jpg

The bushings were discontinued about 1905 but have been found on later guns which presumable were assembled with earlier frames.

BTW the Syracuse Grade 3 was listed at $100 = about $2,775 today.

Harold Lee Pickens 06-26-2021 10:27 AM

According to Lefever book, they were offered separately, but are basically the same

Bruce P Bruner 06-26-2021 10:39 AM

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Very informative Drew. In 1902 they had separate model designations, the lowest grade was in fact The Durston Special. The next higher grade was the "I" grade. Later they combined the Durston & the "I" Grade, evident in your 1917 E.G. Simmons catalogue illustration.
An interesting observation, they did not use a hinge pin. They used an adjustable detent "ball" shown in the two photos. It works well, locks up tight as possible. A very clever innovation I hadn't seen before. If it got loose just tighten it up, so simple.

Harold Lee Pickens 06-26-2021 12:55 PM

Thanks Bruce, was going to post from the Lefever book, but at a tennis tournament. Earlier guns needed a spanner wrench to adjust, instead of the slotted screw. Mike Koneski recently had a run of the spanner wrench made

Bruce P Bruner 06-26-2021 02:10 PM

"I believe the left bushing has rotated out, and the hole may have been peened at some time previously to prevent it."
Correct Drew. I just happened to have the tip to remove the bushings, but the blades on the tip needed to be thinned to properly fit the grooves. The bushings have to be "timed" to be flush all the way around the edges. The threads in the receiver run deep, so it's possible to over recess them. My remedy to keep the bushings flush and secure was some blue Loctite. The bushings are smooth with the receiver face now and if the Loctite holds they won't require any more attention. It kept me busy this morning and luckily worked out well.

Harold Lee Pickens 06-26-2021 10:05 PM

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If this turns out inverted, think I will curse loud and long.

Harold Lee Pickens 06-26-2021 10:09 PM

Although a lower grade, the I grade is kind of rare. I have a DS 20 with ejectors and 26 in barrels, very lightweight

Dave Noreen 06-26-2021 11:29 PM

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Not that it means much, but the few I-Grades I've recorded are in the 43xxx and 44xxx serial number range. I-Grade extractor gun --

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The gun the OP pictured is the first I-grade ejector gun I've seen.

Russell E. Cleary 06-27-2021 07:03 AM

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Harold's I-Grade Lefever page righted.

Russell E. Cleary 06-27-2021 07:36 AM

Bruce:

How is the fore-end of your I-Grade Lefever attached -- a latch, or friction-fit (aka, "pluck-off"), as with Durston Specials (and Parker Trojans)?

And, have you had any difficulty with removing it safely?

If a friction-fit type, you may benefit from having one of the plastic "Trojan" fore-end tools, which Dean R. has had a supply of in the past.

Harold Lee Pickens 06-27-2021 08:08 AM

Thank you Russ. Dean's tool does work great--when I remember where i put it last

Phillip Carr 06-27-2021 08:27 AM

Great buy.

Bruce P Bruner 06-27-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Russell E. Cleary (Post 337399)
Bruce:

How is the fore-end of your I-Grade Lefever attached -- a latch, or friction-fit (aka, "pluck-off"), as with Durston Specials (and Parker Trojans)?

And, have you had any difficulty with removing it safely?

If a friction-fit type, you may benefit from having one of the plastic "Trojan" fore-end tools, which Dean R. has had a supply of in the past.

It's a friction fit, quite tight. Easy enough to remove. Caution must be taken when reattaching, avoid the freefall "snap" into position. Slow attachment with hand strength avoids needless damage.


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