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Milton C Starr 05-15-2021 03:51 PM

Resizing 8 gauge hulls
 
I finally got some imperial sizing wax so I've been resizing 8 gauge hulls this weekend . Its actually pretty simple the sizing die has a A side and B side. One side begins the resizing and the B side finishes it . Im just using a 1 ton arbor press and after I finish the sizing, I use a 3/4" wood dowel to push the case out . They fallout out the chambers like butter .

The Winchester hulls resize pretty easily, the Remington hulls are a different story . You need about the strength of a Silverback gorilla for those lol or a 2 ton arbor press .

I have this wood cap thats relieved on the inside and its about the diameter of the case head. So there its nothing contacting the primer while resizing .

3rd picture is the 2nd step .

Craig Larter 05-15-2021 04:52 PM

Milt nice setup. Did you make the resizing die? I really prefer the Winchester hulls, they last me 8 or 9 reloading.
Has anyone who loads for 8 found a source for Fiocchi 8ga hulls??

Milton C Starr 05-15-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 334372)
Milt nice setup. Did you make the resizing die? I really prefer the Winchester hulls, they last me 8 or 9 reloading.
Has anyone who loads for 8 found a source for Fiocchi 8ga hulls??

I emailed their US headquarters a few weeks back , they told me they dont sell anything directly and I would need to contact a distributor or dealer . Which there is one near me . According to their website the 8 gauge hulls comes in packs of 1200 I think .

I didnt make the die, Wayne gave it to me when he sold me the 8 gauge .
doing some rough measurements it seems one end is around .920 and the other end around .915 . Im glad the arbor press works really well for this as I didnt want to have to buy a large swaging press .

Im curious as how RST plans to do their 8 gauge resizing, I talked to them a few weeks back they said it would probably be next year on them. Resizing them like I am doing works great but I wouldnt want to do it if I was having to load them in bulk .

charlie cleveland 05-15-2021 07:39 PM

my resizing dye is very similar to yours wayne give me blue print to make one...afriend done the machine work....my dye does it one step...it don't know the difference in a Winchester hull from a Remington....glad your making your shells now...will be glad to hear how she shoots....charlie

Milton C Starr 05-15-2021 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie cleveland (Post 334388)
my resizing dye is very similar to yours wayne give me blue print to make one...afriend done the machine work....my dye does it one step...it don't know the difference in a Winchester hull from a Remington....glad your making your shells now...will be glad to hear how she shoots....charlie

These green Remington hulls feel like they need a 800lb gorilla to size them lol . So I'm just going to keep those tucked away for now . I could resize in one step but figured it leaves the brass a little nicer looking doing it in two . I'm playing around with different methods though seeing what works etc . It is a relaxing past time just sitting there running hulls through the resizer.

charlie cleveland 05-16-2021 10:00 AM

the resizer wayne made up is sure better than using thr conduit pliars I used...much better looking shell...but I fired a lot of rounds using the pliars...a squirl did not know the difference in a ugly shell and s good looking one....what loading are you planning to use....charlie

Milton C Starr 05-16-2021 12:17 PM

Got a few more done.

My RST loads came in also for the 10 gauge Parkers. I really need to go to range one day and do some pattern testing .

charlie cleveland 05-16-2021 03:33 PM

great looking hulls the Winchesters look good loaded....seeing the inwards makes it look really nice...I have some pumpkin balls loaded up in the Winchester hull they look so good I hate to shoot them...charlie

Craig Larter 05-16-2021 06:18 PM

Nothing as satisfying as reloading your own 8's!!!

CraigThompson 05-16-2021 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 334437)
Nothing as satisfying as reloading your own 8's!!!

Perhaps knocking over a deer this season with my 8 gauge 000000 buck loads ! :whistle:

CraigThompson 05-16-2021 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 334437)
Nothing as satisfying as reloading your own 8's!!!

Perhaps knocking over a deer this season with my 8 gauge 000000 buck loads ! :whistle: I know I got a charge last January knocking down two Pheasent cockbirds on the first peg at Prospect Hall with Brutus !

David Noble 05-16-2021 07:06 PM

I really like the looks of those clear Winchester hulls. Where can those be ordered from?

Milton C Starr 05-16-2021 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by David Noble (Post 334440)
I really like the looks of those clear Winchester hulls. Where can those be ordered from?

Precision Reloading with shipping and tax etc they were $217/100 hulls .
They come already primed which is good especially right now . $2 hull may sound expensive at first but all the 8 gauge guys are getting many reloads out of them.

I think the reason they are clear is to make it easier for the Kiln operators to visually see what load they are using . From my understanding Winchester wont sell them to private individuals but they have a deal worked out with Precision Reloading or so ive heard .

Milton C Starr 05-16-2021 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigThompson (Post 334439)
Perhaps knocking over a deer this season with my 8 gauge 000000 buck loads ! :whistle: I know I got a charge last January knocking down two Pheasent cockbirds on the first peg at Prospect Hall with Brutus !

Beautiful 8 gauge did you see the other 8 gauge Parker hammer gun that sold recently ? https://www.merzantiques.com/product...-7-size-frame/

Milton C Starr 05-16-2021 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 334437)
Nothing as satisfying as reloading your own 8's!!!

From what Ive read its pretty common to have to fully resize your more common shotgun hulls also before reloading so really doesnt make the 8 gauge too different .

I plan on loading some larger shot sizes, I really want to try it on coyotes on bobcats .

CraigThompson 05-16-2021 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Milton C Starr (Post 334443)
From what Ive read its pretty common to have to fully resize your more common shotgun hulls also before reloading so really doesnt make the 8 gauge too different .

I plan on loading some larger shot sizes, I really want to try it on coyotes on bobcats .

The initial sizing of a new 8 gauge is a different bird from resizing 8’s that had the initial sizing or any other shot shell hull for that matter . However a fellow wants to load them is up to him . But the reworked MEC press and initial sizing setup that could be bought from Ken Burns and Armbrust have to be the easiest . Only problem I see is coming up with wad guide fingers that hold up for more then 200 or so loads .

CraigThompson 05-16-2021 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Milton C Starr (Post 334441)
Precision Reloading with shipping and tax etc they were $217/100 hulls .
They come already primed which is good especially right now . $2 hull may sound expensive at first but all the 8 gauge guys are getting many reloads out of them.

I think the reason they are clear is to make it easier for the Kiln operators to visually see what load they are using . From my understanding Winchester wont sell them to private individuals but they have a deal worked out with Precision Reloading or so ive heard .

The price has gone up drastically ! Armbrust ordered 5,000 from Winchester that were supposed to be in last June and they arrived at Precision eventually in December . I’d pre ordered 500 before they arrived at an expected cost of $152@100 , they called when they arrived to make sure I still wanted them and gave me a better price $20 less a 100 so I bought 600 . I assume the ones you bought came out the same 5,000 but they sure inflated the price since they first arrived .

Milton C Starr 05-16-2021 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigThompson (Post 334458)
The price has gone up drastically ! Armbrust ordered 5,000 from Winchester that were supposed to be in last June and they arrived at Precision eventually in December . I’d pre ordered 500 before they arrived at an expected cost of $152@100 , they called when they arrived to make sure I still wanted them and gave me a better price $20 less a 100 so I bought 600 . I assume the ones you bought came out the same 5,000 but they sure inflated the price since they first arrived .

I bought these sometime last month , I looked at them on a Tuesday and by Thursday when I went to order they had went up another $20 . I wonder if a large enough order was placed if Winchester would do a batch without the ring on the brass . Me and some guys did this with custom rifle brass before cant remember who we used though it was years back. It was a technically a wildcat cartridge but couldnt be formed from other brass . So We placed a order of 10,000 cases at $3 a piece for them to set up the initial run .

Eventually I plan to order some brass cases from RCC but as they have a minimal order of 50 cases its not a priority right now as I have 200 Winchester cases .

CraigThompson 05-16-2021 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Milton C Starr (Post 334460)
I bought these sometime last month , I looked at them on a Tuesday and by Thursday when I went to order they had went up another $20 . I wonder if a large enough order was placed if Winchester would do a batch without the ring on the brass . Me and some guys did this with custom rifle brass before cant remember who we used though it was years back. It was a technically a wildcat cartridge but couldnt be formed from other brass . So We placed a order of 10,000 cases at $3 a piece for them to set up the initial run .

Eventually I plan to order some brass cases from RCC but as they have a minimal order of 50 cases its not a priority right now as I have 200 Winchester cases .

These hulls are pulled right off the assembly line as they’re made . Evidently the hulls are made and as made go straight on the ammo line . So there is no ready stockpile of new hulls .

Milton C Starr 05-16-2021 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigThompson (Post 334461)
These hulls are pulled right off the assembly line as they’re made . Evidently the hulls are made and as made go straight on the ammo line . So there is no ready stockpile of new hulls .

Ah so sounds like a large order like you mentioned of 5000 must be placed for them to even sell them to the shooters market.


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