Trojan 28 Gauge
 

I see in the Parker Story that two Trojans were produced in 28 gauge. I'm wondering if it is known whether these two guns still exist and if we know were they are. I'm just asking out of curiosity. This has probably been discussed before but I couldn't find any previous threads on it.

Interesting, didnt know about those, would be a real find.

Now you've got them thinking and looking

Thinking and Looking ,H'MM Those are a bad combination for the Wallet when it comes to Gun Collecting !!!!!:rotf:

If you had a late Trojan 20 and a set of #0 frame 28 gauge barrels, you are only a sawed off doll's head away from having a Trojan 28 gauge. Unfortunately, there aren't a great number of 28 gauge barrels floating around without a gun attached.

Yup Bill, those very thoughts crossed my mind last night. I have the Trojan 20 with rib extension and now all I need are the 0-frame 28 gauge fluid steel barrels... hmmmm.





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Dean, I don't know whether there is enough dimension in a doll's head to make a Trojan rib extension. I would prefer a late Trojan that wouldn't require any fitting except sawing off the doll's head with a machinist's saw. Let me know if you find those 28 gauge barrels.

My smith can make it wide enough if need be.

I’ll go take some measurements now....

Okay, the rib extension on my 20 gauge Trojan barrels is .268” in width and the narrow part of the doll’s head on two of my several 20 gauge 0-frame barrels are .268” and .269”
So I guess it should be an easy file n’ fit.



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Matt, I am not near my TPS to check. Are those guns mentioned by serial number, and thus based on actual records? Or are they on the totals by grade/gauge tables?

Trying to assist.

They are listed by serial number

Never say never!! Heck, one of my favorite Parkers to shoot is a 20g Trojan, straight grip, checkered butt, single trigger, two bbl/two fore-end set. All numbers match. I would have never though I'd get a Trojan like that. Now if I find those 28g bbls first......:rotf:

The plot thickens!

Brian,
The two serial numbers listed in the Parker Story are 213811 and 234428. According to the Parker Serialization and ID book 231811 is a 12 gauge 28" Trojan and 234428 is a 16 gauge 30" Trojan. The two 28 gauge Trojans may be don't exist. The 30" 16 Gauge Trojan is one rare bird in itself.

TPS vs SB
 

Good job Matt, I would have never thought to check the actual numbers in the serialization book to see if the TPS was right. But then there have been discussions about the TPS having some minor errors here and there. I guess Chuck would have to get involved to see which one is correct from the stock books.

213811 is a Trojan 12/28", 234428 is a Trojan 16/28" according to the stock book.

Interesting, supposedly L.C.Smith built one 28 gauge gun for a lady in the Smith family. It remains a mystery to find also or if it ever existed.

Houston - We have a problem...





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I think this gun surfaced last year. It was being offered on the LC Smith forum with no price. I think someone was just trying to determine what it might be worth.

I could be wrong but I believe they had an affixed date for the highest bidder on the Smith or possibly taking offers until a certain date ??? Figured it was going to be way above my wallet size so I haven't paid any attention to be honest !

A person could understand one of them being innocently wrong, but both of them? And off by a lot. I guess we learned a lesson there - AGAIN!

Matt, the 20 gauge 30" Trojan is a bit rarer than the 16 gauge 30" Trojan. Yes, the 30" 20 gauge does letter. It is serial #181,193, was ordered by Arthur DuBray when he was in California. The price was $25.00, obviously a low budget California duck gun.

I have a set of 28ga barrels from James Purdey 28 inches M/F. There fitted to an A1 special upgrade but I have no real need for them.

I wonder if that 30" Trojan 20 gauge got in on the California duck hunting at one of the duck hunting clubs in the day. It makes it especially cool that it was ordered up by DuBray.

Yup, this great 30" 20 gauge Trojan made it under the wire by quite a bit, being shipped on July 29, 1918, right at the height of duck club activity. It was shipped to Lewald and Schlueter, Fresno, California a volume gun dealer of the time. Further, it was bored full and full. The stock book entry slipped by the Serialization Book researchers because of a missing stock book, but the order book survived to show us the lone 30" 20 gauge Trojan.

Full and full choke, sounds like a California Duck gun to me. I love the things you can learn on this forum with a simple question. We have learned there probably wasn't a 28 gauge Trojan ever made but there was a 20 gauge with 30" barrel.

Next step is to measure the chambers of the 30" 20 gauge Trojan. The letter does not mention long chambers. Research continues. Remember, even Edwin Hedderly's small bores had short chambers.