16 ga 1 1/2 frame
 

Was talking to someone about a 1 1/2 16 ga. How common/uncommon are these? I should have asked about the weight(was offered the gun). Definitely not a grouse gun, but would be a cool SC gun. How many of these made in 16 ga?

Harold I don't believe that there is a way for us to determine how many were made in that frame size. Some more knowledgeable folks will surely chime in with some ideas. I would think that our Researcher may have some information to offer on that topic. In my opinion I do not know that the word rare is accurate however uncommon would certainly seem to be appropriate. I have seen very few of these. I have a DHE 16 gauge with 32 inch barrels that weighs in at 7 lbs 4 oz. Straight stock, double trigger gun. With a nice 7/8 oz load it's more like shooting a 410. Very very much fun.

Nice gun Randy, a 1 frame I assume? The 1 1/2 frame is a grade 3 also. In other times I might have jumped on it, but with everything happening today, am holding off for now, but my mind could change by morning.

Actually it is a 1 1/2 frame gun. I should have been more specific.

I would call a 1 1/2 frame 16 gauge either scarce or rare.





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A second set of barrels for a gun originally a 12?

Jerry if you are inquiring about the gun I referenced that would not be the case. It letters as a 1 1/2 frame 16. Originally a 2 barrel 30/32 set. Unfortunately I do not have the 30" set.

Thanks Randy. A rare bird you have. I was thinking more of Harold's gun not in hand yet.

I am lucky to have 2 16ga 1 1/2 frames. They are both nice examples but I am drawn the the straight grip 32" gun. It is a San Francisco duck gun and It shoots where I look. The 30 inch pistol grip is a great gun too but I dont have near the confidence of the 32 when I shoot it.
I expect I will sell the latter. These guns are great for Clay's and duck hunting. I have never carried one in the field.
If I were to come across an engraved gun like the DH you describe I would have a very hard time getting away from it. Very Very :whistle:

Mark I agree in that you are very lucky to have two of these. Secondly not only would it be hard to walk away from another, it would be impossible to walk away from one of these with 32 in tubes in a graded version. They just do not come along very often at all. My gun is no cherry by any means but it is unique. Rumor has it that you will have an opportunity to read about it in an upcoming PPA, or so I have been told.:corn: Mine has 2 7/8 chambers, what are your guns?

Looking at 22 Parker 16 gauges on GB they are all either #1 frames or #0 frames .

Actually Ive been wondering if Parker ever built a 16 gauge on a #3 frame ?
I remember someone here saying they had a 9lb Parker 16 gauge but dont remember them saying what the frame size was .

Randy the 32" gun is chambered 2 7/8".
I am not sure about the 30" gun. Built in 1904 it is not as likely. I have shot 1 1/16 oz 2 3/4" Matrix out of both. I dont have any 3" 16 ga ammo for ducks.
I look forward to the PP read!

For comparison: 16 bore vintage 2-9/16 and 3-inch, both roll crimped.

Milton, my nine pound 16 gauge VH is a 28" gun on a #3 frame. Nothing in the letter to indicate for what use this gun was intended. I seem to remember a discussion on this forum about another gun ordered by the same person that was also some sort of oddball. Oddly, my #3 frame 16 is fairly lightly choked. It shows wear consistent with many days enjoyed in the field. I have never measured the chambers and the letter doesn't specify anything odd in that category.

Maybe the fellow was trying to comprise between a waterfowler and a upland gun . I think a heavy 16 ga would be fun to shoot , Im surprised it doesnt weigh more . Most the 10 ga #3 frames ive looked at are in the 9.5lb range , I would think 16 ga barrels on the that big of a frame would be quite thick unless they have alot of taper ?

Thats what I like about Parkers Bros , whatever oddball configuration you could come up with theyd likely build it for you .

Actually, the opposite. A set of 12 ga barrels 1 1/2 frame fitted to the original 16 ga gun. Would prefer 2 sets of 16 ga barrels.

would like to go on aflooded timber hunt with bill and see how that big 16 done on wood ducks... charlie

Charlie a 16 on a #3 frame with 32-36" barrels would probably be the perfect 16 ga for us :rotf: .

Though I bet with the large frame and 28" barrels it feels really handy .

I agree with Charlie and Milton on the charm of my big gun. I'm just sorry it didn't come from the factory with sling swivels. I may try my local flooded timber area this season to see if Charlie is right. I have never hunted there, even though it is less than 20 miles from my house, and has been for my whole life. Now that I can't navigate in water, I get this tingle. Oh well. Actually, if I bite the bullet and hunt this timber next season, I will probably use my 32" DHE, which has sling swivels and sling and is a bit field worn.

Do you have a picture of the breech on that #3 frame 16 ga ?

I have my grandfathers 1 1/2 frame 16 ga w 28 inch barrels. I grew up with this 16 and it was my go to gun for woodcock and grouse. The 16's may be somewhat out of favor these days but for many yrs the 16 was the new england grouse and woodcock gun. Oops, i stand corrected. My 16 is a 1 frame.

Milton, I don't have a picture of anything. Our members know that. However. there are pictures of some of my guns in Double Gun Journal articles and Parker Pages articles, and a Remington Journal article. If I ever learn how to work a camera, more of my guns will surface.

Dont you also have a Parkers 10 ga with factory 3.5" chambers ?
That and the #3 frame 16 ga has got to me 2 of the coolest Parkers in my book .

I use my phone camera for uploading any pictures , I dont currently have a proper camera .

Milton, my original, lettered, 3 1/2" ten gauge is a Grade 1 Twist Steel gun. It was made prior to modern 3 1/2" factory ammunition. Another is a DH #3 frame 12, sleeved to 3 1/2" ten by Frank Lefever and Son. It is about the best sleeve job I have ever seen. The rib was remarked "Lefever Steel" in Parker style stamps. I found it walking around the Chantilly, VA show. The owner was embarrassed to tell me it was not an original Parker. Oh well.

For Bill's benefit, is it within forum rules to start a GoFundMe pot to defray the expenses for someone to go to Bill's and instruct him in the vagaries of cameras, and perhaps, while he is there, to snap several hundred pictures? :corn:

John, thanks for caring. If you get up my way, stop in. By the way, Milton, I think my 3 1/2" ten is a six frame. Best of both worlds. I have seen English tens with Damascus barrels nitro proved for 3 1/2" tens and 2 or 2 1/4 ounces of shot. One was a hammer Purdey in high condition which I foolishly did not buy. I wouldn't be afraid to shoot this six frame with modern 3 1/2" tens.

We were back on the Eastern Shore this fall, visiting places of my youth, but I think I was on the wrong side of the bay, or I would have tried to look you up

(QUOTE=Bill Murphy) Milton, I don't have a picture of anything. Our members know that. However. there are pictures of some of my guns in Double Gun Journal articles and Parker Pages articles, and a Remington Journal article. If I ever learn how to work a camera, more of my guns will surface.


I got your back, Bill.

Milton, Bill's action face would look like this one.