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Paul Balides 01-30-2020 07:48 PM

Blue Book Price Check
 
Looking at a nice repro 28ga 2 bbl set (26”&28”). SST, Case Colors redone by Turnbull.
What range are these going for? Thanks.

Steve Huffman 01-30-2020 08:40 PM

Use Guns International as a tool .

Bob Jurewicz 01-30-2020 09:28 PM

GI will tell you what sellers are "asking". Sale prices are unknown. Most of the 88 Repros listed have been there for months. I will guess the gun you mention would sell between $5500 and $6000 if it is really nice but redone.
Bob Jurewicz

Paul Ehlers 01-31-2020 10:25 AM

IMO the blue book is out of date with the prices they have listed for repro's. The market has changed & the BB hasn't caught up with those changes.

Like the others have said GI is a good source for seeing asking prices. I feel watching the trends on gun broker to be of help as well. At least with GB you can track several guns for sale over a given time span and then see the actual price they sell for. IMO it's more useful for seeing current market values & trends.

Scot Cardillo 01-31-2020 11:29 AM

Does the blue book have any bearing on an altered gun, at all?

Jay Gardner 01-31-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scot Cardillo (Post 292198)
Does the blue book have any bearing on an altered gun, at all?

Does the Blue Book mean anything at all today?

Brett Souder 01-31-2020 03:16 PM

Sounds like the same gun that sold on here for $6,000.00 two weeks ago.
-Brett

Rex Northen 01-31-2020 08:38 PM

I believe the wood has quite a bit of impact on final selling price - many PRs have great wood, but there are also more pedestrian versions.

DT guns bring a premium.

A beavertail on a 28 gauge is not nearly as common as the splinter and will sometimes bring a premium.

Bill Murphy 02-01-2020 05:19 PM

Your question could address a gun that was heavily used or abused in its past life, or with other problems, which would make all estimates obsolete. Study all "sold guns" on auction sites, ignoring all "guns for sale". Many unusual catalog versions and aftermarket diversions of Repros sell for much more than common catalog iterations. Prices range from $2500 to $10000 for catalog versions. A Turnbull metal refinish would only add $1000 to $2000 to a catalog gun, a minor addition.

Jay Gardner 02-01-2020 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 292303)
A Turnbull metal refinish would only add $1000 to $2000 to a catalog gun, a minor addition.

$1000-$2000? LOL. I wish that were true. Not even close.

Bill Murphy 02-04-2020 10:59 AM

Jay, please give us your answer to the question. We have very little experience with Turnbull refinished Repros. I feel that some buyers prefer a mint original Repro to a Turnbull refinish. Some buyers prefer the Turnbull gun.

Scot Cardillo 02-04-2020 12:40 PM

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Put me in the original and unaltered category. However, I must confess, this one is awful nice..

Jay Gardner 02-04-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 292459)
Jay, please give us your answer to the question. We have very little experience with Turnbull refinished Repros. I feel that some buyers prefer a mint original Repro to a Turnbull refinish. Some buyers prefer the Turnbull gun.

Not being boastful but you’ll be hard pressed to find a 28 Repro as nice as the one that I just sold. 2-barrel set; double triggers; btfe, straight stock. Case coloring by Bachelder, wood refinished with an original type Parker finish. It looked as close to an original DHE as possible. It sold for what I paid for it before I had any of the work done. A friend who is a prominent dealer if very high end firearms told me the ONLY reports that are commanding premiums are those unfired and in completely NIB condition. He warned me no one would pay extra for the work that I had done. Think about it this way: why would anyone pay a $1000 premium for work that they could have done for less than that.

Scot Cardillo 02-04-2020 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Gardner (Post 292473)
Not being boastful but you’ll be hard pressed to find a 28 Repro as nice as the one that I just sold. 2-barrel set; double triggers; btfe, straight stock. Case coloring by Bachelder, wood refinished with an original type Parker finish. It looked as close to an original DHE as possible. It sold for what I paid for it before I had any of the work done. A friend who is a prominent dealer if very high end firearms told me the ONLY reports that are commanding premiums are those unfired and in completely NIB condition. He warned me no one would pay extra for the work that I had done. Think about it this way: why would anyone pay a $1000 premium for work that they could have done for less than that.

Why not acquire an original DHE, or one that's got honest wear and can be re-habbed if that's what one wants? A PR will always be a PR, no matter the enhancements, no?

(no judgment here or opining on someone else's choices w/their own property - just playing devil's advocate, and curious to hear opinions)

Jay Gardner 02-04-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scot Cardillo (Post 292476)
Why not acquire an original DHE, or one that's got honest wear and can be re-habbed if that's what one wants? A PR will always be a PR, no matter the enhancements, no?

(no judgment here or opining on someone else's choices w/their own property - just playing devil's advocate, and curious to hear opinions)

If it were only that simple. What's an original 28 ga DHE, BTFE, straight stock, with a second set of barrels going to sell for, IF one could even find one for sale? $20k-$25K? And even if you bought one who would hunt it as hard as you would a Reproduction? The mistake I made was trying to age the repro's spray on case color with Semi-chrome. The result was a nickel bright receiver. Don't get me wrong, I have no regrets. My point is thinking that having Bachelder, Turnbull, do work on a repro will result in a dramatic increase in value is wishful thinking. I should also mention that I didn't lose much money having what work done. I paid $6k for it in 2004, had the work done in 2011(?) for less than $500, sold it in 2013(?) for $6,500, and bought it back in 2018 for $6,000. As has been discussed in multiple threads, Repos, like every other double, are not selling for what they did even a few years ago. The gentleman who bought my Repro paid a very fair price and I am glad it is in good hands.

Bill Murphy 02-04-2020 04:54 PM

Now I have my answer to my original statement. Jay doesn't think that aftermarket changes to a Repro will increase the value of the gun. I have to refresh my memory, but I think that's what I thought, maybe a small increase in value, but not much. I have the greatest Repros I could ever imagine, other than a .410, and I won't send them anywhere to have them upgraded. I have a 28 gauge, streaked English Walnut, straight grip stock, two barrel set, double triggers, beavertail forend. I also have a 12 gauge, wonderful wood, 28" one barrel set, improved cylinder and modified, straight grip, splinter forend. I would hate to have to duplicate those two guns today. I don't prefer the case colors, but am willing to put up with them rather than paying DT thousands of dollars to improve them. By the way, my 12 gauge came from Scot Cardillo, and I am more than happy with it.

Scot Cardillo 02-04-2020 05:21 PM

I'm glad you enjoy and appreciate that one, Bill. It is indeed a wonderful example. The one I posted in the photo above would be an excellent candidate for a DHBP.

To my eye, the pad + spacer looks to be about an inch??, leaving the lop at 13-3/4" once removed. What would a DHBP add back to that? 1/4", 3/8"?

Tom Jay 02-08-2020 08:51 PM

Bought my 28 gauge 2 barrel set used for $5500 in 2014. Original case w/cover, snap caps, warranty card and oil bottle.

Brian Dudley 02-09-2020 08:32 AM

any restoration work on any gun (repro or original) should not be done for monetary gain. There are very few candidates (ie: high grade/small bore) that the situation of dollars and cents makes any sense.
Yes, you may improve the value of a gun if condition is lacking. But almost never will the cost of work be recouped let alone profited on.

People restore, upgrade or embellish their guns because they want to. Period. And in the case of repros, people may want the modern gun with the traditional looks of the original guns that they love. I can see someone paying a premium for bone charcoal case hardening on a Repro if they like the look of it. But not $1000-2000 more for sure.

Primarily, people pay for overall condition, configuration and choking when it comes to repros. And of they have sound wood that will not break in 100 shots or less.

Scot Cardillo 02-14-2020 04:02 PM

C grade? :vconfused:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101385503

Scot Cardillo 02-14-2020 05:12 PM

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Here’s another altered (and interesting) Parker Reproduction

Brian Dudley 02-14-2020 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scot Cardillo (Post 293477)


Just a D grade that they did some embellishment to.
The “parker” inlayed in gold. They added the Parker Bros name to the side of ghe frame in a banner. None of the other engraving was faithfully updated to C grade.
The wrist was altered to C checkering and the forend was converted to full cover checkering.

On my 20g DHE i did debate on doing a faithful C upgrade on it, but decided against it.

Brian Dudley 02-14-2020 06:27 PM

Scott, do you know the details on that one with the extra barrel fitted with claw mounts? It it a rifle barrel? Or shotgun for slugs?

Scot Cardillo 02-14-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Dudley (Post 293494)
Scott, do you know the details on that one with the extra barrel fitted with claw mounts? It it a rifle barrel? Or shotgun for slugs?

I do not, but a pm is on the way.


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