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Phillip Carr 10-15-2019 10:35 AM

Your thoughts on this Parker
 
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I am looking at a Parker and would appreciate thoughts on it.
This Parker records show it to be a DHE 32” 20 gauge. No mention in the records of the beavertail, no safety, single trigger or twin ivory beads.
Barrels are currently 26”.
Clearly the beaver tail is correct as the barrels have the loop as well as the through bolt hardware on the forend is installed.
I will measure the notes and chokes today I am told it’s choked skeet.
The grip cap is different but I believe I have seen this style cap before. Not sure it was on a Parker.
Barrels have 2 Remington repair codes.
Thoughts on wood? I will take better pictures today.
Can anyone ID the trigger?
Thanks Phil

Eric Eis 10-15-2019 10:42 AM

Phil the grip cap is not original, as you can see wood overlapping the cap and no I have never seen that cap on a original Parker even with Remington date codes. The barrels also concern me, they look like the maybe cut. Can't see enough of the trigger to tell

Phillip Carr 10-15-2019 10:44 AM

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Randy G Roberts 10-15-2019 10:47 AM

The barrels do not look cut to me. I assume the barrels are numbered correctly to the gun ? Does the stamping of the ser # look right on the 26" barrels ? Also is it possible this was a 2 barrel set, the loop wouldn't have a #1 or a #2 stamped on it possibly ? A lot going on with this one that might take a letter to explain and then you still may not have the answers.

Phillip Carr 10-15-2019 11:13 AM

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Brian Dudley 10-15-2019 11:43 AM

The Trigger is a Miller. It is the later style Miller with the rocker selector.

The grip cap is a Remington Cap. Which MAY suggest that it was restocked at Remington.
I have seen this same style cap on other verified remington era restocks. This would have been a restock during the Remington service era, after production stopped on the guns.

Dean Romig 10-15-2019 11:46 AM

Phil - that’s definitely a Remington Ilion restock - the drop points are a dead giveaway.
It looks to have a Miller SST, a Remington era bead and the wood is American black walnut, not Circassian walnut as Parker Bros. would have done.

That all coupled with cyanide case colors kind of supports that it is likely a total Remington re-do.
Incidentally, the forend checkering pattern is that of a GH.

I would also lift a d turn the trigger guard and look for a tell-tale “LDG” stamp in the channel in the wood.

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Dave Noreen 10-15-2019 12:01 PM

The trigger appears to be the later style Miller. The grip cap is a Remington cap with the words Remington ground off each side.

Wayne Owens 10-15-2019 01:14 PM

The length of the chokes would be crucial information for me.

Phillip Carr 10-15-2019 01:32 PM

Thanks for the information. So far I believe or know the following.

* The information in the SN book is the same as the Stock order book which is the only records available.
* The grip cap is Remington. Thanks to Dave I expanded the picture and can clearly make out Part of an R and N.
*Single trigger is a late model Miller ( not sure of when this model came out.
* There are 2 Remington repair codes. One is 1940 the other 1948.
* Appears to be a a Remington restock with black walnut. Forend has GH not DH pattern.
* As far a Beavertail forend the barrel has a loop and the forend has the correct metal bolt.
* Case color points to metal being redone. Remington or Delgrego.

My next move is to weigh the barrels with the forend. Measure the bores and choke and chambers.

I would appreciate feedback on how these mods effect value. I am quit curtain the barrels have been cut, but will know later today. The gun overall is very nice.

Eric Eis 10-15-2019 04:05 PM

Phil, keep us updated

Richard Flanders 10-15-2019 06:26 PM

Looks like it has a dowel in the stock also. You can see it on the butt... unless that's just a coloration anomaly. I like it! A 26" single trigger PG 20ga is just what I'm looking for to make shooting left handed less damaging to my left hand.

Phillip Carr 10-15-2019 07:43 PM

Well I measured the barrel bores and choke. Bores are .615 each. Barrels are cylinder cylinder. No choke. Barrels have been cut but very well done. Sure wish it still had those 32” barrels.

Ted Hicks 10-19-2019 06:11 PM

I guess the cylinder-cylinder chokes tell the story about the barrels, but I noticed that the unstruck barrel weight is 3-11. Is this a clue? Would this weight be right for 32 inch 20 ga barrels but heavy for 26" barrels?

Andrew Clark 10-19-2019 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted Hicks (Post 283584)
I guess the cylinder-cylinder chokes tell the story about the barrels, but I noticed that the unstruck barrel weight is 3-11. Is this a clue? Would this weight be right for 32 inch 20 ga barrels but heavy for 26" barrels?

I just check my PHE 20, 0 frame, 32" and the unstuck weight is 3-13.

edgarspencer 10-20-2019 07:50 AM

The gap between the tubes certainly would be an indicator of cut barrels. Is there a termination line at the end of the matting, or does it run off the end of the muzzle?

Phillip Carr 10-20-2019 08:22 AM

No termination line. The barrels are definitely cut. I liked the gun but the price was higher then I wanted to pay so I passed.
Remington did have the gun in for repair work twice. Was it cut by them? I’m not sure.
A little more information, the serial number was stamped under the trigger guard.

Chris Robenalt 10-21-2019 10:41 PM

Does the gun feel balanced Phil. Dale's had 32"as you know, but it was too heavy on the back end. The splinter made a big difference on the 26".

Phillip Carr 10-21-2019 11:28 PM

It was a little tail heavy but I could have shot it.


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