16ga PH value
 

Hello all,
I have been a member for a while, but haven't posted any. I appreciate the forums and all the knowledge it contains.
Anyhow, I have stumbled across a hammerless 16 gauge P grade at a local auction, and was looking for some information on what it is worth. I managed to get a couple of pictures of the water table and barrel flats, and will do my best to describe it.
Serial # is 88670. 16ga on a #1 frame. No idea on chokes. Splinter fore end and pistol grip stock.
The shotgun appears to be all original. I don't see any evidence of restoration work or shoddy repair work, other than the screws in the receiver show signs of being removed and re-installed with a poor fitting screw driver.
There is no color left on the receiver, but the barrels have pretty decent patterning left.
Stock and fore end show (what I would call) normal wear for a 125 year old gun, small dents and scratches, etc. No breaks, nothing missing.
It closes very nice and tight, lever is on center when closed. The face of the receiver is very clean and doesn't show a lot of use.
No rust or pitting anywhere.
The barrels ring nice, but there are 2 dents in 1 barrel and 1 dent in the other. The dents are all about the diameter of a BB, and maybe 1/3 as deep. 1 near the end of the fore end, 2 about 5" from the muzzle.
Overall, it is a pretty decent firearm, IMO.
This is not a high end Parker, I realize that, but you have to start somewhere.
Let me know what you think, and thanks for your help.
Tim

From the two pictures I wish I was at the auction, any more pictures ? Book said it has 28" barrels

Some more pictures.

Nice honest gun from what I see as far as value Ill leave that to some others

Please join the PGCA as I see you've been around for awhile and you can letter your gun at a reduced rate and a few other perks .

I'll guess $2200.

i would rate it in the 1000 to 1200 range....charlie

I have bought and sold and offered for sale similar "shooter" guns without any special collector value during the past couple of years. Based only on my experience, I would say this gun would move quickly at $800, not so quickly at $1000, and would sit there at $1200 for a year waiting for the right buyer. Or, you could list it on GB at $2500 and let it run for 5 years, like several sellers there do. The market for shooter guns is very low now, compared to what it was 10 years ago. Shoot it and enjoy it, it will pay larger rewards that way than a quick sale. Good luck.

I would guess 800-1200 range with the determining factor chokes. Altered low, all original untouched higher.

As a buyer, shooter gun, I would choose on how it fits and feels first, originality close 2nd. Rarity not important.

William

I figured a 12 PH is a $1100. gun, and a small bore would have a value of $2200. Guess I'm way off.

I watch for nice 16s, especially those with Damascus, Twist, etc. barrels, and I can say I do not see many in this grade for sale, with or without the nice twist barrels. Beyond the dents, which are hard to assess without seeing them, the gun appears (by your description) to be a nice example. The PH 16s that I have seen for sale over the last year or so have had asking prices closer to Craig's $2200. That does not mean that's what they are going for. Check some of the sites that offer Parkers. I've watched two PH 16s, one with Twist barrels and the other with fluid steel, for a few months (so that means they did not sell quickly). They were both above $2K. Again, I don't know if they sold and/or for what price.

I'd bid on the gun if I were you. If you get it, you'll know that at least one other person thought it worth almost the same as what you bid. It would be nice to know the barrel wall thickness and have some professional assessment of those dents you describe.

Good luck. Let us know what happens.

I want to thank you all for your thoughts on this.
What is the general consensus regarding removing the small barrel dents? I know it would be easier to answer with pictures, but I won't be able to get more pictures unless I buy it.
Any rough idea on the cost of dent removal?
Thanks again,
Tim

Tim,

I have a worthless friend that keeps having Parkers fall into his lap for near nothing ($300+=). I always get the call to see it and I offer to trade a Mossburg or two, but I am always refused. I have removed more than a few dents for him with my Hosford dent remover. My advice is to find a dumb friend such as myself who will do work for a meal and a beer. I shouldn't think an honest fellow would charge more than $100 to remove three small dents. I would do it for a lot less.

Kindest, Harry

If you go to any of the major SxS events, Jon Hosford is usually at them and I think he charges $50 to do as you watch

Looking at the ph listings on gunsinternational the only one I seen for under 2,000$ was a damascus 12 ga . Now they have a ph in 16 ga listed for 7,900$ but it is in 99% condition .
Says only 114 16 ga ph's were made ? Would make it a rare parkers wouldnt it ?

That makes two of us, Craig.

Well, it's mine now.
I think I did good. with buyer premiums and tax, I ended up with $770 in it.
Here are a couple of shots of the dings in the barrels. They are tiny, but they are there.
Thanks for all the replies!
Tim

It looks like those dents should protrude into the bore and they should be lifted properly... NOT honed so they no longer show in the bore.





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Congrats, great first Parker.

You did well

Willam

Glad you got that gun. Twist barrels are beautiful.

The dents should lift out well, with only minimal marks left on the outside. What shape are the bores in? A fair price for that gun.

It's taken me a while to get back. Sometimes work gets in the way.
I gave it a light cleaning before putting it away. The bores appear to be perfect, with the exception of the small dents. I did not check the chokes.
I am going to see if anyone locally can remove the dents. If not, I will be looking for someone.
Harry, I may be in touch if you are interested.
Thanks all,
Tim

Tim,

Anything for a friend for a fee. I think $50 will cover removing all three dents.

Harry