12 ga powders
 

I'm about out of SR 7625 which is what I've been using for my low pressure loads and I haven't seen any elsewhere. I've seen some earlier threads on 1/2 oz and 9/16 oz loads but am looking for the heavier shot charge loads. Some of my guns are on the #1 frame. So what are you using for low pressure loads in 12 ga for 1 oz and 1-1/8 oz .

Thanks,

Jack K

Both Green Dot and 700-X can be used for lower pressure 12ga loads both 1 and 1 1/8 ounce.

Jack I do not shoot 1 1/8 loads but I have shot the 1 oz 1200 FPS load on the attached for a number of years with good success. I like the cleanliness of this powder. It's as good as I have found in a slow burner, meters great, and I have been overly impressed with the consistency when I chronograph these loads. Good luck...

17 to 18 grains of Clay Dot in any Fed, Win, or Rem hull makes a nice 1 or 1 1/8 ounce load. I use this load in 7\8 ounce shells.

I use Red Dot for 7/8 & 1 oz. 12g charges straight from Alliants web site. Low pressure low recoil.

William

ditto on Red Dot and Clay Dot, low pressure and low recoil.

Guys,

I've got my work cut out for me now. I'm going to try all of these. A buddy gifted me about 2 lbs of red dot. I think I have a partial can of green dot and 700X on a shelf in the shop that I had forgotten about. I will be heading to the gun shop for clay dot and American select because I know I don't have them. Thank you for your answers.

Jack

Are you familiar with the Alliant and Hodgdon reloading websites ? Hopefully you will check them out for the proper components to use with these powders to achieve the results you are after. They are great sources of information. Good luck.

Randy,

Found them! They are pretty good.

Thanks,

Jack K

Why try all these diffferent powders? If I gave you a blind test of all the different powders on your list and all were loaded to the same equivelent, I seriously doubt you could tell the difference in the shells performance. If you asked about what's the best as far as cost, availability, cleanliness, etc., then there are some differences. Just pick one powder in your list that you can purchase locally, go to the powders web site and use the components shown for a low pressure load.

Agree available locally, not a lot of difference one suitable powder to another. Powder that must be mailed is a major nuisance.

William

Jack, if you ever get West of the Bay, Gaithersburg, MD, I have an over supply of 12 gauge powder in large containers, mostly Clays, but others too. I will sell it face to face for 10% under CAC wholesale. That's cheap.

Why all these different powders ? I think the guys were just saying what works for them. I think, right or wrong, that Clay Dot recoils more than other powders. But that's just me. He may find at the velocity and weight he wants to shoot some powders burn cleaner than others, could have less or more recoil, cost more or less, maybe easier to get, and so on. Also, if he finds a couple of powders he's happy with it'll be easier latter on if powders are hard to come by. American Select is a very nice powder along with RD, GD, Promo, and 700X. For me it's back to 700X because 12#s were given to me. Part of the fun of reloading is trying different powders and loads.

I won’t deny I like some powders a lot more then others . BUT when we had that ass in the White House a couple years ago and I assumed the psychotic broad was going to win the election I was buying anything I could get my hands on that I thought would serve my purposes . So now I have more options should we ever get in that situation again . Bottom line is having SOMETHING that will fill the bill and keep you going .

Sr 7625 powder according to people on the trapshooters.com
Web site say that Hodgon
800x is a replacement of sorts
I looked at the Hodgon
Site and ther are some
Low pressure loads
I was asking for PB replacement

In my experience, 800x works well in heavy loads ( I used it when gunning springer spaniel field trials, where long range pheasants are the norm) but it is not good for light loads, especially in cold weather - poppers and bloopers

The burn rate charts on every reloading site tells you everything you need to know except price.

I have about 20 pounds of SR7625 in my uhm wharehouse LOL’s anyway that will keep me in 10 gauge bird , buck and slug loads as well as 12 , 16 and 20 buck/slug loads for the rest of my existence . I was a bit sad when I was down to six pounds but 18 pounds fell in my lap so to speak and my worries are cured . Now with Universal Clays , Unique , Red Dot , Green Dot , Blue Dot , WIN 296 and WIN 572 I’m pretty sure I’ve got all my shotgun and handgun needs covered for atleast 15 years .

i like red dot and green dot for 1 1/8 ounce loads....for magnum loads i like bluedot....lots of good powders out there....charlie

I have been trying Green Dot in 2 1/2" 12 ga but my impression is "shoots dirty", going to shoot some new loads with international. I was told RST is loading International in Cheddite hulls with an ounce of lead at 1125 FPS and 6200 PSI. I cut one open and my best effort with a scale said about 16.5 gr. powder that LOOKED identical to International, NOT CONFIRMED. I have chronographed their rounds and they are dead on claims. I found a recipe on PGCA forum the gentleman said had been tested by a reputable lab. It involved 20 gr. of International and 1 OZ lead @ 1200 FPS and pressures well under 8K. Sounds reasonable, going to ease into it. I don't recall the wad.

Keith, let us know how that load works out. I once shot a couple of RST 1oz shells and man they were nice, soft shooting shells. They were as nice as my 3/4oz loads. I was really impressed. That's a little bit of difference between 16.5 and 20grs. It still doesn't sound like a 20gr load at under 8000psi is anything to worry about. I wish I had some to try. I think I'd try around 18grs to start.

In my 2 1/2" 12 gauge guns I use a Cheddite hull & primer, 19.0 grains of Hodgdon International Clays, a Gualandi 1222 wad, 1 oz of shot with a 6 point star crimp at 1150 fps. Pressure should be around 7300 psi.
This load is my modification of a Hodgdon published load using 20.1 grains of International Clays, Gualandi 1225 was in a 2 3/4" Cheddite hull at 1235 fps @ 7700 psi.

This is an old thread on 2.5" loads. Tom Ambrust did pressure testing on this load according to Dave Miles. The pressure results for International Clays are different than listed on Hodgdon's website.

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1589

Ken

I had opportunity to shoot some of the 1oz. loads with 20 gr. international this past weekend. My "test" gun is a 3 1/2" mag Winchester X2 with a 28" mod barrel. Considering the rhino roller 3 1/2" steel goose loads I shoot out of it, I figure it'll handle ANYTHING I want in one of my fine SxS shotguns or anything else for that matter. These chrongraphed at an average of 1260 FPS X 5 rounds with folded crimp and about 25 FPS less roll crimped. All were Cheddite paper hulls. Hard to judge but seemed little or no difference on recoil and report than the RST rounds. Will be sending some of them and several other recipes off for testing (including my best effort/guess at a duplicate of the RST) and share the report with all. Ken, FYI, the thread you mentioned was my source.

Keith,

Are you reloading 2 1/2" shells or 2 3/4"? I didn't like using the Win209 primer in the 2 1/2" shells because the firing pins on a couple of guns were sticking. I now use the Cheddite primers for the 2 1/2" shells.

Thanks,
Ken

These loads are all 2 1/2" in Cheddite paper hulls with Cheddite primers. I shot some similar loads worked up with bismuth shot in 2 1/2" Cheddite plastic with Fioche 616 primers, roll crimp, first in my Winchester then in one of my 12 ga. Parkers. The bismuth was 18 gr. Green dot. Mild, and chrony at 1060 FPS. Had no issues of any kind other than they didn't want to cycle well in a 3 1/2" magnum gun, insufficient recoil/pressure to properly operate the mechanism. No surprise there, did cycle in a Winchester 1400 I have that will eat anything 2 3/4" or 2 1/2", dirty, sandy, mildly rusty, or generally disgusting ( a tried and true duck killer I've shot for years, a saltwater gun ugly as post hole diggers)!

Ken, I used Cheddite primers for years without problems. I've read threads where some guys complained about them being softer and firing pins going through and having to replace them after awhile. This is usually with O/Uers where one pin was hitting on a angle. Well, the left barrel on one of my Parker hammer guns and both with a 1873 Remington hammer gun blow primers. So I traded 10,000 Cheddites for 10,000 Winchester primers and took care of the problem. The Fed and Win have a stiffer primer surface and don't have the piercing problem. Just something to keep in mind.