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I am going to be at the Vintagers/ Annual Meeting at Hopkins Game Farm in a couple weeks. I am in search of someone to teach me how to use a Bore Master. I have had this thing for a couple years and it just sits on the shelf. I even left it with my really smart, good friend (who shall remain anonymous) for a few months in hopes he could figure it out. He didn’t. So, if you are the Bore Master, I am your willing Bore student. If, you teach me I will buy you a drink at the banquet.

I'll have with me a number of bore measuring devices Mike. One of them will be the BoreMaster. I'd be happy to lead you in the right direction with it's use.

Mike, here's a primer on setting the gage properly in anticipation of your visit with Mr. Corona.

https://www.higherprecision.com/blog...dial-bore-gage

..from the article, in part.

I am guessing there are others who would be interested in this shared knowledge on bore measurement, myself included. Certainly worth the price of a libation!

I'll bring along my Stan Baker set. It measures everything except 10ga.

What is a boremaster? I hope it isn't what you pictured measuring engine block bores. My cell phone # is 301-503-5456 and I will be there Friday, and hopefully Saturday if I don't get bored or broke. I will share my knowledge as well as my bore gauges and wall thickness gauges.

Maybe Bill's right. Is the "bore master" a bore gage or is it a caliper with deep jaws?

Both...

It measures both the bore's ID as well as wall thickness for six inches on either end of the barrel.





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I think this is what Mike wants to learn how to use.

https://robertlouisco.com/product/bo...12ga-cal-ring/

Exactly Daryl.





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ahhh..okay, Bill's right, that's a caliper.

The Boremaster "inventor" shows his lack of knowledge about shotguns in general and Parkers specifically in his story about warning a pheasant hunter about his "dangerous" #4 frame Parker 12 gauge. He is a heck of a salesman if he can successfully promote a bore gauge that measures six inches of bore from each end. However, I have met him and he is a nice guy and is probably good to his dogs.

Despite the fact the "boremaster" is not a bore gage, per se'..it's still a pretty useful tool and certainly convenient for limited measurements. (ie: 6" depth). Particularly for measuring wall thickness because obtaining wall thickness using a bore gage would require math after taking a measurement of the outside diameter (od). There is a modest degree of ingenuity in the gage as well because a caliper with extended jaws like that has a tendency to flex and skew the desired measurement due to the moving part of the gage not being beefed-up where it rides the beam. The inventor overcomes that variable (flex) by making the gage spring loaded which is conducive to consistent pressure. Not a bad gage for quick reference.

I once found an outrageous Prussian Lindner 16 gauge hammer gun at the Allentown, PA gun show. After collecting Lindner guns for many years, I had never seen or heard of a smallbore Lindner hammer gun, especially one in medium high condition. The gun was just below a Diamond Grade and tight as a tick. It was easily a $3000 to $5500 gun. I asked the price and it was $700. I didn't care whether it had a stock or barrels and I peeled off $700 without asking any questions, which I knew the seller would not be able to answer, judging from his table full of brown guns. When I got home and much later examined the bores, I found that about 13 inches from the muzzles, there was a hole that went from one barrel to the next. Yes, a hole from left to right, or right to left. I chuckled to myself and wondered which previous owner had discovered the holes. Had the price been $5500 and I used one of the Robert Louis gauges to measure the bores, I would not have had any idea that the gun was virtually worthless as a shooter or collector gun. If you are considering purchasing a 34" barrel gun, you have to have a tool that will measure a 34" barrel. These little toy gauges are not worth ten cents to a serious collector. I have tools in my machinist's junk box that will do what the Robert Louis gauge will do.

For less than the cost of the Roubert Louis gauge, you can arm yourself with a much better arsenal of tools. From top to bottom and left to right are two Walker chamber gauges, 12 and 16, from Brownells, which are simple go-no go devices, but accurate. $20 bucks apiece. Then comes a 3 1/2 inch inside dial caliper that is my go to gun show tool for assessing chambers and chokes. It is accurate, but has some variation because of operator inconsistency. $50 bucks at the local pawn shop. Next down is the Skeets bore gauge in 12 and 16 ga size. It will measure chambers, chokes and full bores of 28 inch barrels going in 14 inches from each end. More accurate than the inside caliper, because with three balls or prongs it is not so susceptible to operator inconsistency. $100 bucks used from a member on this site, now available again new from a different maker for about $140. Last is a Manson wall thickness gauge I got from Brownells. Used properly, it is the only tool of the bunch that can accurately, but not perfectly, measure wall thickness in up to 28 inch barrels. Operator skill is crucial in obtaining good accuracy. $100. Not as good as a Hosford gauge, but 20% of the price. Altogether , I'm invested less than $300 and feel relatively comfortable with the array. Don't let slick advertising sway you. He also sells a shotgun stock measuring device that is not as good as a flat table top and a tape measure in my opinion. Good luck.

Indeed a nice group of tools for the task, Mike. I'd like to have a copy of the 'skeets bore gage' which I initially thought was the subject of this thread. How deep will it measure?

Mike Franzen, I know that guy you are talking about and he's actually not that smart. Good looking yes, but not really that smart.

Search an earlier thread on this forum entitled "Skeets Bore Gauge". The guys name Bulley according to the thread, although I don't see a phone number. My gauge only goes in 12 1/2 inches. Bulley will apparently make one as long as 18". Good hunting.

Bully is making the Skeet's gauge in 12-16 and 20-28 as long as you want it, about the same price as ten years ago. If anyone is confused by the operation of the Manson wall thickness gauge, I would be glad to give my tutorial in person. It is on the net somewhere, but I don't know where. There is no better wall thickness gauge for less than four times the price. Bully and Manson and a ruler are the three best tools to keep "them" honest.

Second the Bully. A skeets is fine too.

Well it looks like this is shaping up to be a fun, entertaining and educational experience. Bring all your tools. We can have a swap meet. I’ll bet, like me, a lot of guys have never used most of this stuff. I would like to have a wall thickness gauge that could measure up to 32” barrels. If you have an extra laying around we can talk about that. After all the measuring maybe we can talk John Davis into giving us pointers on how to look good.

How to look good. Rule #1: Shoot a Parker.

That’s what the guys at my Skeet club tell me.... “But you sure looked good trying.” :shock:






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An 18” wall thickness gauge or bore gauge will measure 36” barrels, so its full potential would see limited use.






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The Bully gentleman will make one as short as you would prefer.