GunBroker SCC
 

This SCC has been on GunBroker for quite a while now, with a opening bid of $4,499 for over a month now.. If anyone was looking for one, this seems like an ok deal to me, or am I missing something?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/775506320

A nice gun, but the price is about full retail. They made fewer 12 bore repros then 20’s and 28’s but, unless they have a rare configuration, they seem to be more difficult to sell.

If it were a double trigger gun it would have been long gone!
Bob Jurewicz

What does SCC stand for? It is not a steel shot special is it?

Sporting Clays Classic, factory screw in chokes.

Bob is right. The single trigger kills this gun, as does the scary "Buy it Now" price. The bulbous muzzles of some if not all SCC Repros is a no sale for me.

I agree "Buy it Now" is high, but opening bid is almost $2,000 less with no reserve.

I didn't notice the "No Reserve".

Bill, with respect to the opening bid; do you consider that a reasonable price? I do and frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't sold.

Well--in all honesty---I glanced too quickly at the original posting and did not realize it was a factory choke tube gun. Yes--at the opening price--I would consider the gun a good buy. There are some nicks in the wood, but overall the gun is nice. They used Win-chokes and back in this era, all barrels with choke tubes had to be enlarged/expanded at the muzzle to use them. Since there is NO reserve--pop a bid on and you may get lucky. I expect there will be lurkers who show up in the last hour of the auction. Good luck. BD

Finally . . . logic has been added to this thread!

A Parker Reproduction Sporting Clays Classic is my nominee for the most versatile Parker on the planet. 3" chambers, chrome lined bores and choke tubes with the capability of shooting virtually any 12-ga. load offered today -- all in one gun, makes it so. Add in the fact that there were reportedly only 125 SCCs produced, makes this particular model (dare I say?) rare and collectible.

I've looked the auction information & gun over for details. I see no where the seller states this one is a SCC & the poor pictures don't let me see any specific marking to verify it as being a SCC. I do assume that because of the win-chokes that it probably is one, but I would request better pictures of the gun to see if there is any markings to suggest it is a true SCC. I do see the choke stampings on the barrels and though the pictures are fuzzy, I think they indicate the interchangeable choke tubes.

Greg, I think you might have the SCC mixed up with the steel shot special. This gun is clearly marked for 2 3/4" chambers the SSS would have the 3" chambers and fit your description of the overall most versatile Parker Repro.

The “ISC” on the barrel flats tells us that this indeed is a Sporting Clays Classic. (“internal Screw Chokes.”) I own one. Use it weekly. Love it.

-Victor

Victor - does your SCC have 3" chambers?

Paul - to your point..I, too am surprised the seller doesn't seem to highlight the fact it is indeed a bonafide SCC..maybe the seller doesn't fully realize, or appreciate, what he/she is offering. Who knows?

Maybe it’s a 1980’s thing, but where are the 30+ inch barrels? I love my 28 inch SCC, but longer barrels would make the love more like momma’s love.

-Victor

Yes, there are threads on this. Perhaps even one started by me when I first purchased my SCC.

I think they all have 3 inch chambers, even though marked 2 3/4.

-Victor

For my own selfish reasons I would by all means proclaim the Steel Shot Special as the mac-daddy of all 12ga Repro's! However, Gregs assertion the SCC is the most versatile of all offerings, simply cannot be challenged.

In my opinion, this gun is a steal anywhere near the opening bid price. Buy It Now price is fair retail. I hope someone here pulls the trigger.

-Victor

Bingo! Personally, I wouldn't consider selling either of my SCCs for multiples of the opening bid price.

Paul, Victor has alluded to the fact of the subject gun being stamped "ISC", this stamping positively identifies the gun as a Sporting Clays Classic model. Victor also mentioned there being several posts on this forum about the SCCs chamber length. I have personally measured more than a handful of SCCs -- all of them measured 3" despite each and and every one of them stamped 2 3/4". Other owners of SCCs that actually measured their gun's chamber length have, too; reported them having 3" -- again, all were stamped as having 2 3/4" chambers.

Scot, I recall our little discussion we had where you made a pretty good argument concerning the versatility of your 20/16 bi-gauge set. Now you're promoting your pair of unfired SSSs as the mac-daddy of Repros. I guess I can't blame you, as I'd be pretty proud of them, too. I'm sure you remember that I owned an unfired SSS, too; but ended up selling it because my SCCs did everything the SSS could do, but with even more versatility. :whistle:

To be clear, in my personal opinion, the 20/16 offering is what I consider to be the most desirable of all Repro’s followed by the 28ga offerings. For me, the 16 pretty much does it all & the 20’s not that far behind. (I’m not a waterfowler or Turkey hunter) But, as a matter of true versatility - how does one beat the SCC? Woodcock in the am, quail in the afternoon, Pheasant in the evening and ducks the next morning - all with one gun; the SCC.

If you review my comment you’ll take note I touted the SSS as the mac-daddy of 12ga Repro’s.

I was pretty sure right away what it was, the seller only added a picture of the barrel flats after I messaged them asking for one.. I realized pretty quick they didn’t have any idea what they had, and I’m sure if they knew how rare it was they’d mention it in the title. I’m sure a lot of people aren’t even bothering to look at the pics when they are scrolling through and see a 12 gauge reproduction listed for $6,400.

It was listed maye 4-5 times at a $4,999 opening bid. When they lowered it to $4,499 I came close to buying it. Once I decided to pass I figured I’d post it here.

It has been reported in these pages that there were 25 12-ga. 30" Parker Reproduction barrel sets made. These 30" barrel sets were made available and could be added onto any 12-ga. Repro. To my recollection three different posters here on the forum have discussed having them added to their SSSs, two of the three poster's 30" barrel sets have had Briley aftermarket choke tubes installed -- both of these posters have listed them for sale within the last 12 months here on this site in the For Sale forum, one of them is just the 30" barrels only, the other is a complete 2-bbl. set. To my knowledge these are still available. The 3rd poster told us he hasn't found the need or opportunity to shoot his factory choked M/F 30" barrel set much. Where the other 22 30" original PR barrel sets are remains a mystery.

There was also a 4th poster that claims there is at least one set of 32" Parker Reproduction barrels in existence and a friend of his owns it. When questioned of its authenticity the poster says the barrels are "Skeuse all over". But, unfortunately this 32" barrel set remains unverified.

As you know Greg, a lot of people talk about a lot of stuff on this Forum that they have SEEN. But talk is cheaper than dirt. SHOW ME.

In an effort to try and help the seller of this Parker Reproduction Sporting Clays Classic in regards to identifying what he's selling and informing him of what we've learned about a Parker Repro SCC's actual chamber length, here's his response:
"Thank you for the information, but a shotgun that the chamber measures 3 inches is for a 2&3/4, a 3&1/4 is for a 3inch shell and a measure of 3&3/4 is for a 3&1/2 the extra space is for the shell to open when fired."
In regards to Parker Reproductions specifically . . . . who's right and who's not quite right?

The ANSI spec for a 2 3/4" smooth bore chamber is a minimum of 2 3/4" deep to the start of the forcing cone and a maximum of 3". A link to the specs can be found on the following page:

https://saami.org/technical-informat...amber-drawings

Hope that this helps.(But I suspect that it won't.)

Later,
Johnny

While I appreciate your reply and link, Johnny; it doesn't answer the question regarding the specific chamber lengths of Parker Reproduction Sporting Clays Classics and other models of Parker Reproductions.

I have mentioned previously that I have two SCCs, one is unfired NIB, both are stamped having 2 3/4" chambers, but actually measure 3". I once owned a Steel Shot Special w/28" bbls. that was stamped for 3" shells and its chambers measure 3". I have two 28-ga. Repros, one a 2-bbl. set (26" & 28" bbls.), all three barrels are stamped for 2 3/4" shells and all three have 2 3/4" chambers. I also have a 26" 20-ga. Repro that is stamped for 2 3/4" shells, its chambers measure 2 3/4".

From my small sampling, as well as info I've gathered from others that have actually measured their Repro's chambers, it appears the common practice of the factory was to stamp the barrels with the actual chamber length which matched the length of shell for which it was intended. The exception is the Sporting Clays Classic model that was stamped having 2 3/4" chambers, but all SCCs to my knowledge, left the factory with 3" chambers. In addition, all brochures and articles on the SCC that I've seen have reported them as having 3" chambers.

I measured the chambers of my two 12 gauge Repros. One is a Sporting Clays Classic (28 inch barrels; splinter; pistol grip). The other is not (26 inch barrels; beavertail; straight grip). Both are marked as having 2 3/4 inch chambers. Both have 3 inch chambers. Perhaps what we are calling “3 inch chambers” technically are just long “2 3/4 inch chambers”? See photos.

-Victor

Victor, thanks for making the effort to measure your guns chambers. Did you purchase your 12-ga. 26" gun new and are you the original owner? If not, are you absolutely positive that the gun hasn't had its chambers lengthened?

No, not the original owner. But who would lengthen the chambers of a 26 inch 12 gauge that already handles 2 3/4 inch shells? Pretty sure it’s factory original.

-Victor

Perhaps a waterfowler that wanted to shoot 3" steel loads through it without having the need to open any chokes. There could be other reasons - that's just one.

A review of the Saami drawing of a 2-3/4" chamber (pg18)

The only way to get a true measurement is to make a plug at .798ø, drop it in and obtain the measurement. The plug end that's inserted into the chamber must have a dead sharp edge and the diameter (.798) is a basic dimension due to the fact all dims are at maximum material condition..meaning, no tolerance at all for the plug ø. The Saami spec was issued May 1979 & was revised July 2015 however it doesn't say what revision it is. (e.g., A,B,C, etc). There's also a note that clearly states "chamber lengths (per the standard) have been lengthened. Without a review of all revisions since 1979, that indicates the 'official' lengths increased in 2015. Therefore, since the PR's were made long before the revision...you have 3" chambers in a SCC despite the fact they're marked 2-3/4".

Ed Muderlak often stated: The investigation continues . . .
 

Thank you Scot for helping to bring some clarity to the drawings.

In regards to Victor's 12-ga, 26" gun's 3" chamber length . . . I recall a thread or two in this forum where a poster that was quite close to the development of the SSS intimated or suggested that all 28" 12 and 20-ga. Repro barrels were factory chambered for 3" shells. Is there the possibility that all 12-ga. Repro barrels, 26", 28" & 30" lengths, have 3" chambers? I know that there are 20 and 28-ga. 26" Repros which were not chambered for 3" shells, but I have never owned a 12-ga. 26" Repro, nor have I measured, nor do I recall anyone posting - other than Victor - that their 26" 12-ga. Repro has 3" chambers despite them having only the 2 3/4" stampings.

Wouldn't it be great if owners of 12-ga. 26" Repros would weigh in with their findings?

You're welcome Greg. In the quick review I did make a bit of an overstatement stating in part, "the only way to obtain a true measurement". That should read the only practical way to..

Frankly, I think the topic's a silly hang-up on technical mumbo-jumbo to tell you the truth..

I have a 12 ga 2 barrel set. Both 26" and 28" are stamped 2.75 & 3" shells. In fact they are 3" chambers on both sets.

IMHO, the sale favored the buyer & I hope someone here got it.

Also, let me clarify what might have come across a bit snarky (unintentionally) - when I say the discussion's silly..I mean that it doesn't require an overabundance of hyper-technical dialogue. It's simple..drop a scale into the chamber, make sure it's edge is pushed down firmly against the chamber wall and take it to the forcing cone. If it's basically 3" to the forcing cone, have at it with all the 3" shells you wish to fire. Or, limit your ammo choice to 2-3/4" and never, ever worry about it. There's arguably an excessive margin of safety now built into the most current standard and I'd guess that likely has more to do with attorney's than anything else. That's not to say it's not interesting and thanks to Johnny for sharing the info, along with his perspective that isn't exactly right but isn't exactly wrong either. Now Johnny will show up and slap a revision on us from 1982 that shows chamber lengths were increased back then and we've all got it wrong..:rotf:

I've not checked my 12ga, but I will b/c I can't recall how it's marked. I think I recall John Allen sharing the factory all but insisted on multiples of 25 when accepting an order so their internal numbers made sense for a production run. That fact would likely explain inconsistencies in chamber length across the 12ga's, I would think, no?