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Paper Shotshell Flashback.

Found these empties not long ago at my local rifle range. :)
They sure don’t make them like this anymore. :(
Look at all that brass. :cool:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...tshells1LR.jpg

Mike; Please lay a ruler beside those paper shells and repeat the picture. Is the blue a Peters and the red a Winchester?

Thanks Austin

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Originally Posted by Austin W Hogan (Post 24303)

Mike; Please lay a ruler beside those paper shells and repeat the picture. Is the blue a Peters and the red a Winchester?

Thanks Austin

The blue is indeed a Peters and the red is a Winchester Super Speed.

I will do a picture with a ruler for you :)

Someone wasted those fine shells at a shooting range??!

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Originally Posted by Richard Flanders (Post 24309)

Someone wasted those fine shells at a shooting range??!

Yes, go figure :eek:
So glad I get curious and like to root through the empties barrel. ;)

I found this shell at the Louisville show in Feb.

Great find Jeff! I believe they were made in three different colors if memory serves. Pretty rare bird....

Guys, regarding the Parker Bros. paper shells, I know a gentleman in NH (same guy who bought my 28" 16 ga. Trojan) who bought 2 full original boxes of them at a yard sale for $20 each. He will not sell either or both to me. He knows they're very valuable. I think I'll contact him again pretty soon and work on him.
He also knew a farmer who had a graded small bore Parker hammer gun. I asked if the fellow was interested in selling it. He said he thought the fellow probably would sell it and that he would ask him in a couple of days. He called me back a week later and told me the farmer needed some plumbing repaired and the plumber saw the Parker, told the farmer he'd like the Parker as partial payment for $800 worth of plumbing he had done and that's the last of that Parker that I know of.

:whistle: :banghead:

PARTIAL PAYMENT :eek: ELDER (assumption) ABUSE ME THINKS :nono:

Austin, What lenght shell are you looking for was it in 12 I got some old ones I can look at. My 10 has brass chambers, going to trim some plastic hulls when I trim should I measure the shell from the bottom of the rim or the top of the rim? ch

Shells and scale

Jeff; would you lay that Parker shell beside a scale and photograph it as Mike did? Calvin, if you have any fired pre WW II vintage paper shells, do the same.

Thanks, Austin

How long is a 2 3/4 inch shell?

Mike's find in the empties barrel is quite interesting. A couple of those ca 1935 +/- shells might be 1 /32 or 1/16 under 2 3/4 considering parallax in the photo, but they certainly appear to be true 2 3/4 inch shells.
I have about 5000 "modern" empties from this summer's trap skeet and 5 stand activity. I searched out about 8 individual labels and measured them with a Starrett micrometer caliper. I assume that multiple loadings stretch rather than shrink shells;some have become ragged, but most measure around 2.66 or less. I found some Federal Paper trap paper twelves to measure 2.73 (once fired) and some of the new type "grey" AA's to measure 2 .71. New "shiny red" AA's are about 2.62, as are most Remington "Gun Clubs".
I reached wayyyyy in the back of the shell cabinet and retrieved the box of shells pictured. These are from some great days in the Mohawk Valley and southern Adirondacks. Note the $3.20 price on the label; they are about 1955 vintage. I don't have a gun to shoot them in any more; I gave my steel framed Ithaca 20 to my grandson.
These SuperX 20 ga magnums are paper cased, with a water resistant wrap. I had forgotten that a pie crimp preceded plastic cases. The unfired case measures 2 5/16 inch; at least another 5/16 must unroll from the crimp to equal the Modern AA skeet load that measures 2 5/8 inch.
I'll put a few in the baggage and bring them to Pin tail; if anyone has a proper 20 he can fire them and we will check the fired length.
Best, Austin

Austin,
The 10 parker shell is 2 1/2". I would quess that the roll crimp would open up to 2 5/8 ".
Jeff

Thanks, Jeff. I wonder if we have anyone with access to an industrial X Ray to measure the powder column in that shell. My guess would be bulk smokeless, because it doesn't appear to be deteriorated.
It is interesting that the "modern" Super X Magnum is shorter to accomodate the pie crimp. There wasn't as much need for powder space, but one would assume that a long wad would have been used in these.

Best Austin