how did we let things get this way
 

today i went to the feed store to get me some wheat for my deer plots. a bag of wheat was 6.50... the owner said that wheat was going up i replied i guess that the dove hunters was making it go up...he says that was not it. he says that the chinese had a bad crop year some where and they were causing wheat to go up..what has happened to the american people are we gonna set back and watch our lives be run by the chinse. i will not be buying wheat if i know it was sold to us by the chinese. i guess im just getting fed up withall the folks over charging the people of the US...... CHARLIE

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How did we let things get this way? That's a good question. How did the PGCA Forum become a blog for ill-informed rants about commodity prices and international relations?

You've done it again Francis: a string of non sequiturs strung together by punctuation marks. From Sarah Brady to spontaneous combustion to the 1st Amendment all in one breath, and you worked in a BHE to keep it legal. Astounding.

Maybe that's "Nun Sequesters?""
 

After all, I was raised a Catholic laddy- Non sounds more like the way the Frenchies say "No"-- Let's all chill out a bit- nothing we can do about the drought and fires in the USSR that are destroying the wheat crop- maybe a tot of Virginia Gentleman or George Dickel-- (rocks, water back for me)-- life is way too short to get into a micturation derby here-:whistle::whistle:

The First Amendment precludes the federal government from suppressing free speech. The owners of this board can delete our posts and ban us from posting in the future - all without violating the First Amendment.

Best,

Mike

So- "Who's On First?"
 

Would you believe Abbott & Costello? Sure there are limits to our First Amendment- You or I cannot stand up in a crowded public venue and yell "Fire" and cause a panic/stampede and not get in serious trouble- BUT- IMO anyway, if a fellow PGCA starts a topic or thread and a Forum participant chimes in- as long as the basic rules set up by the BOD of the PGCA are followed (common courtesy to the other fellow and the possibility he may have a different experience/viewpoint) let's live and let live.

I treasure All Ten Amendments- but as a Christian (Roman Catholic) and a Honorably Discharged veteran (USMC) it does bother me that a person like Madlyn Murray O'Hair can freely espouse her atheistic dogma, or that the piss-headed Hippies can burn OUR FLAG and be protected from harm for doing so- Until I recall such lads as Ernst Rohm, Benito Mussolini and old Adolph and what they did 70-80 years ago in Europe to folks who dared to speak their mind publicly- and then the hippies and atheists don't seem quite as harmful in comparison--

George Orwell (aka- Eric Blair) when he wrote the classic "Animal Farm" had the linchpin of equality in mind when he wrote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"--:bigbye:

Ahh. But if an atheist started posting arguments about religion and philosophy on here and the moderators deleted the post and banned the atheist his First Amendment rights would not be violated as this is a private site and the action was taken by it's owners.

I don't mind you arguing some tolerance of off topic topics. I am just pointing out that banning them here doesn't have anything to do with the First Amendment. If Attorney General Eric Holder was sending cease and desist orders and going to court to get a restraining order to cause Mr. Charlie Cleveland to cease posting off topic here then you could logically invoke the First Amendment as cause to let Charlie continue to post off topic.

Best,

Mike

Mike - Some friendly advice when you find yourself in a dialogue with Francis. Take a hammer, the larger the better, and whack yourself in the head a few times. There now, feel better?

What were the words of Vito Andolini?
 

Oh sure- now I remember- "One lawyer can""-- you fill in the blanks Mike" I see your point, and as I am just a layman (did serve on two juries in 2000) I missed that loophole-

I don't much care for Eric Holder- he looks a bit like Adolph Eichmann to me, and he conveys to me the Gestapo mentality of many of our politicans today, IMO of course. Charlie is a good old hard working Southerner, my kind of man- down to earth, straight forward- honest as the day is long- I'd like to say what roadblocks I'd place in Eric Holder's pathway were he to go after Charlie for his posts on the PGCA, but I know just enough about the law to avoid the landmine of Libel- so I'll pass and not stretch the elastic of the First- You must be a lawyer, am I right??:bowdown::bowdown:

Nope, I am a mechanical contractor who got a good education in the Texas public schools of the sixties of seventies.

Best,

Mike

an MFH or even a BFH
 

- Good shot there Ed- reminds me of the old shop wisdom: "Never force it to fit, just get a bigger hammer from the Tool Crib"-- or as my Father liked to say at times "I see, said the carpenter, as he picked up his hammer- and saw!"":bigbye::cool:

Francis - I admit defeat. You are priceless. Your verboseness is exceeded only by your verbosity (that means you're a pretty good egg, if verbose).

Shame he didn't have a saying like "Francis, shove a sock in it"

John Wayne - The Quiet Man

Teddy Roosevelt- Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Shakespeare - Curb thy tongue, knave.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt..." Abraham Lincoln

And the next words from Francis should be:

"Where there is injury let me sow pardon"...

John

What are you guys smoking?:dh:

to john dunckle and the adminastrators please feel free totake this thread and its contents off this forem..sorry for the disturbances... charlie

Ah..Don't worry about it Charlie. The guy's are just venting their frustration with trying to keep Francis.... "Short ,sweet and on topic"...:dh:

Short, sweet AND on topic...Francis?:eek: You are dreaming there my friend or just doing this...:banghead:

Francis needs to meet Ed M. Perhaps we can invite Ed back so Francis will have someone to reiterate words with:whistle:

I appreciate Ed Muderlak- like to meet him some day
 

I have two copies of his "Knight of The Trigger" book- ooops, make that one- the other went to Dean-o for the silent auction this Sept at Pin-The-Tail Point MD (happens when you have several daughters that like to give their Dad books I guess)-- and a friend whom I "helped" find a M21 12 gauge recently is giving me Ed's fine book on the Parker Gun (I have Peter Johnson's and Larry Baer's fine books too)--

"Put a sock in it" expression has roots in Parkerdom- here it is-- Arthur C. Middleton, CEO and "Head Fred" at RCA-Victor ordered a 16 gauge Invincible grade and took delivery of same in Sept 1929- lived in NJ. And so before the RCA and radio with rheostat volume controls came about in the 1920's, the hand wound Victor Talking Machine Phonographs had no volume control- so to muffle or mute the sounds from the records of that era, they often placed a mitten, scarf or wool sock (stocking back then I'd wager) in the horn to accomplish this- hence the term "Put a sock in it"-- Mae and I visited the RCA Victor musuem in Dover, DE in July 2009 and the Lady who was our tour guide explained that to all of us- Great place to visit indeed.

I am a serious student of history, and that includes "trivial expressions" perhaps- I finally know what both "Hobson's Choice" means, and also the WW11 aviator's term "The Whole Nine Yards" plus the above mentioned Sock terminology- Now if i only knew what Bruce Springsteen said in his song "Blinded By The Light" about the Deuce-in??:bigbye:

Can't believe I'm going here, but since you mentioned it -

Springsteen's original lyric was "Cut loose like a deuce, another runner in the night."

Manfred Mann's better-known cover changed the lyric to "Revved-up like a deuce, another runner in the night."

Many people mistakenly hear "Wrapped up..." instead of the actual "Revved-up..."

Jim

Thanks Jim--
 

Deuce- like the Bleach Boyz great song "Little deuce coupe?"" Ah yes- Knew Springsteen was a biker at heart "Born to run" didn't know he was also into classic cars of another era- 1932- first year for the flat head Ford V-8--:bigbye::bigbye::cool:

Oh boy - here we go. Francis - What is your interpretation of "the whole nine yards"? Apparently it is NOT the length of a belt of machine gun ammo. Nor is it the amount of cloth required to make a suit (or a whole lot of other conjectures)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_whole_nine_yards

Well, Francis got the "deuse" right. The "deuse" term comes from the 2 in 1932 Ford. The "deuse" terminology was probably not used until the 1932 Ford coupes and roadsters became popular for overhead valve V8 conversions in the fifties. The 1932 body style was used extensively for such conversions whether originally equipped with the flathead V8 or the 4 cylinder.

49 Woody

In a 1954 issue of "Hot Rod" magazine is a feature story with several accompanying pictures of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis road testing a "Deuce" (1932) highboy roadster with a flathead with finned aluminum Offenhauser heads with triple Stromberg 97's.

The '38 Chevy "B Gasser" we ran had 6 Stromberg 97's

38 Chevy coupes are great. Do ya have any pictures John? What kind of motor?.....small block? Wait a minute B gas...Hemi?

Small block Chevy, bored 1/4", stroked 5/8" for 352 CID. Initially had Giovanni Cam. Later, Hilborn Injection and and Isky Roller. Giovanni cams were best known for the promotional decal which had a gal with a short skirt riding a camshaft, ala a witch on a broom

No pictures, unfortunately. Car ran in the mid Atlantic area in the late 50's, early 60's. Was painted white, and was called "TNT"

I've always liked the Rigid Tool Co. calendars with the monthly "Miss Rigid Tool"

A Chevy small block 301 cid was one of my early favorites (high-revving screamer) and was easy to build in the garage or basement. Then GM caught on and put it into the very first Z28 Camaro's in '66 if I'm not mistaken

John, they are Giovannoni camshafts, not Giovanni. Don't want to insult the California Mafia.

Wow! This thread is outta control....This is great! Anyway..Back in the day we used to take Chevy 327 blocks and put in 283 cranks and viola a 301 motor! My buddy and I used to run a 63 Nova gaser with Hillborn Injection What a pain in the ass that setup was. Later on we went to a tunnel ram with Holley carbs and ran better times.

Mopar Garage Car - another get around to it project. Completely original - may need to change that. Outta control ? Nah, just folks jawin' From wheat to woodiies and beyond in a few seconds more than it takes for a slightly modified deuce coupe to run the 1/4.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1...r_SE_small.jpg

Ray Giovannoni had a shop in DC on Maine Avenue and left town for Florida before I got involved in cars and racing. His name was left behind and he was a topic of discussion here in DC for years after he left. Strick's Automotive was the race car shop in downtown DC in the sixties. Linda's aunt Bernie still owns Strick's Bar and Liquor just over the DC line in Maryland on Pennsylvania Avenue extended and has for more than fifty years. I don't know what the connection is, but I will ask Bernie next time I see her. Strick's is the music venue that gave Jimmie Dean, Roy Clark, and many other big namers a start.

Bill - You're right on the spelling. Here's a copy of their logo:

Just "shows to go ya" how a thread can change
 

I'm not a "motor-head" but what a wealth of information, possibly because Mr. Murphy was kind enough to mention that I caught the proper reference to "Deuce" in my ? about the real words of that Springsteen song-

Never had a performance car- owned a 1958 Harley Sportster (with the shift peg on the brake side) first car was a 1951 Chevy Coupe with the stick and the old Blue Flame 6 (216 CID??)- ran great-I usually drive a Ford Ranger pickup or a Jeep Wrangler- both with stick and 4 cyl. stock engines- but loved the discussion of the performance "goodies" great stuff indeed-

As to answer Mr. Dallas' question- About 4 years ago this coming Fall I flew down to central FL. as part of a Church outreach- this was after the Four Hurricanes had hit FL- we stayed in Avon Park in Citrus Co.- about 125 clicks due South from Orlando- my first time ever in the State

My "roomies were two gents from SC- both active in their Church and Habitat 4 Humanity- Bob is a retired Lt. Col. USAF and flew fighter missions in Vietnam and flew with the legendary pilot Col. Robin Olds- He is the source for my understanding of the term "The Whole Nine Yards" as coming from the WW11 era- the length of the .50cal MG belts in the wing mounted guns of that era- We still send each other Christmas cards, so if you have a different version of the meaning you be kind enough to share here, I'll be glad to send it along to Bob for his perusal (like my friend Buck Hamlin- he doesn't have a computer)-

No questions (so far) about the Hobson's Choice bit- so we'll leave a sleeping doggy at rest with that- BUT- Bob also told me what the pilot's term "Balls To The Wall" meant- the H shaped throttle handle of WW11 aircraft- they added rubber balls in the groved metal section to keep the pilots from smashing their knuckles when they shoved the throttle handle all the way open (against the firewall) of the cockpit apparently- :cool:

WOW! That pic lends a whole 'nother meaning to "bump stick"