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Daniel G Rainey 04-21-2017 08:22 AM

DH barrels
 
In the early 1900's when Parker started putting steel barrels on the DH guns were all the barrels marked titanic steel ? Thanks in advance.

Dean Romig 04-21-2017 08:54 AM

1897 saw the introduction of Titanic Steel barrels and they were so marked from the beginning.
There are likely to be a small number of Grade 3 guns from the early 1900's without Titanic marked on the rib and without the T in the circle on the right barrel flat, but their originality would be questionable. A research letter on such a gun might reveal how the gun left Meriden.





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George Lander 04-21-2017 10:50 AM

I would imagine that the markings "Titanic" ceased to be used after the ship "TITANIC" foundered.

Best Regards, George

Brian Dudley 04-21-2017 10:50 AM

What is the root cause of your question? Are the barrels on a gun unmarked? Or marked with a different type of steel?
It could be a Damascus gun that was rebarreled.

Dave Noreen 04-21-2017 10:52 AM

The Parker Story lists sixteen Quality 3 hammerless guns with Vulcan Steel barrels in the 82275 to 88725 serial number range and two with Whitworth Steel barrels 79503 and 92569, all 12-gauge 30-inch

Daniel G Rainey 04-21-2017 10:58 AM

Dean, Saw the DH in a pawn-gun shop. Numbers say 1890 gun the engraving is like picture in the Parker story of the early gun but it has steel barrels with the right numbers, barrel wt. of 3lb. 1oz. (seems light two me for 28 inch ) Forearm was new with right numbers. But the engraving is outstanding.numbers and the barrels had Parker Bros. Meriden ct. on the rib. Just did not smell right.

Brian Dudley 04-21-2017 11:01 AM

Yeah, that is suspect. Any steel type stamp on the bottom?
Any blank space after the makers mark before matting start again?

They could be worked over Damascus barrels. Or some sort of replacements. Late remington barrels had no makers mark. And the same was so with most new barrels fitted up by Lefever Arms later on.

Or, hey, they could be an original oddity I suppose.

Daniel G Rainey 04-21-2017 01:41 PM

The gun was rebarreled and ejectors added too. Gun made 1890. Did not notice the steel marking on the flats if was there. Saw the gun on line and stopped at the pawn shop while on the way to Kansas turkey hunting. Stopped on the way back and looked again. Since the gun does not fit and it did not smell just right I passed.Did not notice any blank space, but did notice the line at the end of the matting before the end of the barrels did not appeared not be straight.

edgarspencer 04-21-2017 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Lander (Post 216852)
I would imagine that the markings "Titanic" ceased to be used after the ship "TITANIC" foundered.

Best Regards, George

Barrels marked Titanic Steel were mark as such from their introduction, until Remington moved manufacturing to Illion

Dean Romig 04-21-2017 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel G Rainey (Post 216864)
The gun was rebarreled and ejectors added too. Gun made 1890. Did not notice the steel marking on the flats if was there. Saw the gun on line and stopped at the pawn shop while on the way to Kansas turkey hunting. Stopped on the way back and looked again. Since the gun does not fit and it did not smell just right I passed.Did not notice any blank space, but did notice the line at the end of the matting before the end of the barrels did not appeared not be straight.


If it was rebarreled at Remington that would account for the lack of a legend on the top rib.
Were the ejectors of Parker Bros. design or were they some other aftermarket brand?





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Bill Murphy 04-21-2017 05:08 PM

Serial number?

edgarspencer 04-21-2017 05:14 PM

My 1898 CH left the factory with barrels marked Titanic. It is now in the care of another member.

Daniel G Rainey 04-22-2017 08:54 AM

Dean Do not how to tell if the ejectors were added by Parker or some after market brand.

Daniel G Rainey 04-22-2017 08:56 AM

61854 is the number.

Dave Noreen 04-22-2017 10:08 AM

Quote:

the barrels had Parker Bros. Meriden ct. on the rib.
The rib markings changed from "MERIDEN, CONN." to "MERIDEN, CT., U.S.A." about WW-I time frame.

Dean Romig 04-22-2017 04:05 PM

Can you show us some pictures of the sides of the frame in the hinge pin area, the 'knuckle' area of the front of the frame, and the underside of the forend?




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Daniel G Rainey 04-22-2017 05:28 PM

Did not purchase the gun and it is in another state..

Brian Dudley 04-30-2017 08:44 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/641567585

Is this the subject gun?

If so... look at the end of the rib marking. The steel type has been clearly wiped out and the matting cut over it by hand.

These barrels are either sleeved, or blued over damascus. I vote the later based on what i see.

Daniel G Rainey 05-01-2017 07:21 AM

Yes. You hit the nail on the head. The lack of steel type on the barrels and lack of damascus barrels were warning signs to me. the ejectors were added and the forearm looked almost new.Loved the engraving on this 1890 gun, The price has dropped but I would be unsure of what I was getting.

Bill Murphy 05-01-2017 09:03 AM

It will have a D on the barrel flat. That would tell the whole story.


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