I noticed something interesting today.
 

http://www.gunsinternational.com/gun...n_id=100755596

I was looking at this CHE 28 ga. Pugs Guns has listed today. If you look at the full size pictures you can see what looks like pencil marks laying out the checkering patter high up on the wrist. You can see it in the top most point of the checkeringby the opening lever. It's on both sides but more so on the right side. It could be my imagination, but it would be amazing if something like that lasted to this day!

Pretty neat gun all around, I'm not positive but it looks like a high flat rib to me!!

Not pencil lines. That checkeing is re-cut and you are seeing where the original checkering was and whoever re-cut it did not follow it.

Not much flat about that rib. :crying:

That's a shame, sloppy work on such a spectacular gun. I can't tell if the rib is flat or not, the doll's head extension looks flat.

There is something very fishy going on with those barrels.

It appears the barrels have been set WAY back, look at the gap on the doll's head, big gap.

Unless those pictures are deceiving to my eyes, I believe the dollshead is below the receiver surface, there is a large gap around the perimeter of the dollshead and receiver, and the matting is not continuous through the joint of the top rib.

Yup.

I'd love to have it. It would be a gem in my tiny collection of C and higher beater grade small bore shot guns.

Bruce
Write the check!

Likely not the original doll's head rib extension.

Parker never would have let that gun out of the shop with a fit like that. JMHO






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Could the barrels be replacements?

If you look at all the pictures on Guns International of this Gun you may agree with my observations. It looks to me as if the top rib is actually fabricated from 3 separated pieces. The relief of the barrels in front of the barrel flats while it matches late 410 Parkers it doesn't match the 2 28 gage guns I've looked at in the last 4 months, one older and one newer manufacturing dates. They don't show us the barrel flats so they could be Parker or Jap. In conclusion the asking price is P.O.R. but they share no description AT ALL. I have an opinion on the gun now the ball is in your court.

I once had a messed up set of d grade barells that had
A perfect rib, sold them for 300 dollars and told the man
Some one had tried to makE 1 1/2 frame out of 2 frame
All I think the man wanted was the rib with TITANIC on
It. Figured he was going to use v grade and make himself
A D grade with the new rib

It's happened before... I'm sure there are other examples.






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Thanks for the conversation, not in that market but I saw that gun pictured in their add as the cover photo recently. Beautiful at a glance, but scary when experienced eyes take a look. Thanks to all.

In case anybody is wondering, the price is $75,000.

"The horror;....the horror....."

Well now that I know the asking price I'm torn between submitting a purchase offer or making a generous contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

The description of this gun on the pugsgun web site shows the first four numbers of the serial number as 1848. The serialization book(page 479) shows five guns with serial numbers beginning with 1848, four 12 gauge, one 20 gauge a T13 grade. The Parker Story (page 1005) list of 28 gauge guns, shows no guns with serial numbers beginning with 1848. Maybe I missed something?????

Wasn't it General Patton who had a C 28 ga.?

General Patton had a pair of CHE grades, one a 28, one a .410. They are in family collections. He also had a nice DHE 30" 20. Kevin McCormack photographed the 20 for The Parker Story one fine day when we also test fired it on Maryland clay targets, the toughest clay targets you have ever shot at.

Wow, what would those CHE's be worth today?

I'm sure the Patton CHE skeet guns would be way up into six figures.

I suspect the Parkers of George S. Patton are worth and would bring a much higher price from a Patton collector, a WW2 collector, or a U.S. Army collector than from a Parker collector. It seems to me that the laws of supply and demand would be especially applicable to articles owned by George S. Patton, since many believe he is the finest combat general produced by this country.

I respectfully disagree with you Craig. Many serious Parker collectors place a great deal of value on guns with a documented connection with such people as Gen. George S. Patton, and other people of fame. Movie stars from the thirties, famous trap shooters or live bird shooters. I rather think that collectors of militaria or personal items documented as having belonged to a high ranking officer place more value on the name of the military person than on the brand name of the item he owned. This is especially true of something like a small bore Parker CHE which, by itself, commands a pretty high value.
The value placed by a collector of military items of General Patton's CHE's is riding on the coattails of the value we Parker collectors place on the small bore CHE with documented provenance to General Patton.

JMHO, Dean

P.S. Next time I see Joanne Patton I'll ask if she knows the whereabouts of Gen. Patton's Parkers.
She is a lovely gracious lady.

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Well Dean we don't agree. Over my lifetime I have noticed people try establish a fair value for an item they are attempting purchase while or before they complete the transaction. People who are attempting to purchase a personal item of a famous person tend to set a price they can afford which will exceed everyone else.I still believe a Parker collector is more interested in the gun rather than the previous owner. Thanks for the picture of Joanne Patton. Is she a daughter?

Daughter-in-law.

Granddaughter-in-law, if I was introduced correctly.

Edited for accuracy.

With a few minutes of research I discovered that I was introduced to Joanne incorrectly and she was lady enough not to correct my own mother-in-law. She is, in fact, as Tad had pointed out, the daughter-in-law of the late General George S. Patton Jr.

http://www.gmfarm.com/patton-history






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Don't know about the price but it is a nice gun. But the issues are something one wants to take into consideration. Because if you don't care for a gun when you get it you never will no matter how many say, it is a nice gun.

Craig, Patton was certainly a gutsy commander whom many believed America's best, but if we take the word of the man himself:

"Top U.S. tank commander in the war
Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams, American, World War II
I’m supposed to be the best tank commander in the Army,” Patton once said, “but I have one peer—Abe Abrams.” Leading the 37th Tank Battalion from the front, Abrams and the crew of his own M4 Sherman tank, Thunderbolt, are estimated to have destroyed about 50 German armored fighting vehicles."

For strategic and fighting prowess the Germans were peerless.

King I'll leave Pattons legacy to the experts however, we should be thankful for his contributions during WW2. Dean and Tad I'm glad to know the relationship of Joanne to the general.

I was a tanker for 21 years.

I met Gen. Patton, the younger, at the Armor Conference at Ft. Knox one year.