Here we go again
 

With the temperature of the gun control debate reaching the boiling point there are reports today that AR's are flying off the shelves. I suspect 22 rimfire and many centerfire cartridges will as well, reloading powder too. I hate to join the hoarders but buying what you will eventually use seems prudent to me given the situation.

A word to the wise is sufficient.

Personally, I stocked up BIG TIME during the last panic. And the panic before that. And the one before that.

I should be good until after November...

Well I have 4lbs of tite group at 5 grains a load that should last a while for my 45acp and 16 lbs of 700x for my shotgun. I would think that was enough. What do y'all think

there goes my vacation money..ha charlie

I think the assault rifle business can be solved by owning a couple of nice semiautomatic rifles, in two different calibers, and maybe 1000 rounds for each, assuming you don't practice with them.

The wife told me to buy another AR. So, being the good husband I am, off to the gun store. A new gun, ammo, clips, and a red dot sight - I was all set. I already have about 30#'s of powder, 10K/primers, 8K/wads, and 10 bags of shot. There's also plenty of 45, 380, 9mm, and 22 ammo. Then I trucked over to Bachelders with my 89 C grade Remington - it wouldn't close tight. I got the usual reply - " 40 years in the gun business and I've never seen this before ". The locking lug had a crack and was ready to break off. He said two weeks and a $175 it would be fixed. This is the same gun bought from out west that had some sort of small termite eat little lines in the wood from under the top lever to the trigger guard. After a shot I was hold the stock in my right hand and the rest of the gun in my left hand. He put it back together and you can't see where it was broken. Oh well, after relaying the ribs, redoing the barrels, and color case hardening everything, I've only got about 5K in the gun. Now this. Anyway, I'm pretty well set for guns and ammo.

Hate to admit it but I stopped by WallyWorld and bought the last 500 .223 on the shelf since there is no gun show soon. Anyway, the Big Box stores like Gander are asking $500 for a thousand rounds and WallyWorld was ten cent cheaper at $0.40 per round. Get it while you can, as the title says, "here we go again."

The Democrat Party is the Gun and Ammunition makers best business partner. I should have bought stock in Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Hornady and UMC years ago.

None of those companies are making the ammunition we are buying.

Who cares Bill? They are making the guns and ammunition other people are buying and making a pile of dough doing it.

Just stopped back up to where I bought the AR and got a 1000 rounds for $335. It won't last. Figure 223 will go for a buck a round soon.

wally world had some 22 mag ammo today i picked up a few boxes been awhile since they have had them...also picked up some dove loads gona usem in a few months....charlie

Well I do not own an AR, or a Ruger Mini 14 so I do not need any 223 ammo, But years ago I did buy a AK-47 National Match with the 21" barrel it is pretty accurate, and very reliable, and ammo at that time was 80.00 for 1500 rounds, again that was a while back, not as far back as 15cent a gallon gas but a while back, Gary

I also do not own an AR but two Siaga 12 ga with 20 round drums came home the last time we went through this. I was considering selling one of them but no longer. If the b***h gets in never, be able to buy one again.
David

I just bought 250 rounds of UMC 45 ammo. The 223 ammo is usually FMJ stuff. I have probably 10,000 55gr V-Max's. It will splat a prairie dog and an intruder. The problem is that the Cooper it's chambered in will only splat them one at a time:rotf:

Let's see bought an AR and a pair of Sig's last month. Also have rifle, pistol and shot reloading capability. I'm ready for the Zombie apocalypse.

The natives are restless
 

From today's Washington Free Beacon:

"The number of gun-related background checks performed in July far exceeded those of any previous July, newly released numbers from the FBI show.

"The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, processed nearly 2.2 million checks last month. That represents an increase of almost 600,000 checks over the previous record set last year. It is also an increase of more than a million checks over July 2011.

The July record is the latest in a string of 15 record-setting months for firearm background checks. July also saw an increase over June’s numbers as the gun industry’s seasonal lull comes to an end.

"This calendar year, with more than 16 million checks on record thus far, remains on pace to break the NICS check record for a single year set in 2015. ..."

http://freebeacon.com/issues/july-gu...revious-record

the interesting statistic - which NICS would not have available

is how many are new buyer Vs current gun owners adding to what they own

Just a question. Why do folks seem to need to keep up with the "black gun" purchases an ammo to go with it? Honest question.

Probably because those seem to be the 'target' of those who would infringe upon the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

It is my firm belief that if the gun manufacturers would start making them in various shades of green, i.e., spring green, forest green, leaf green, moss green, grass green, etc., these guns would be far more readily accepted... even by folks like Hillary; heck, even by folks like Al Gore and his ilk who embrace and propound all things 'green'.... doncha think?:corn:






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As a people we want what we can't have either by perception or reality. If the talk is to ban black guns then lets run out and buy two because we can today but maybe not in the future. It applies to ammo shortages as well, 22LR is hard to find so buy it wherever and as often as you can even if you don't use it, same with 45ACP, 9mm pick a caliber. Reloading brass is hard to find and I'm always ;looking for something, right now it's 500 N.E. 3" cases but it's always going to be something.

By nature we are hoarders. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it:)

For the same reason people buy another Parker - because you can. :) They're fun to shoot. :cool: Because anything the liberals hate. :p And most of all, they're not assault rifles but modern sporting arms. Assault is something someone does be it with fist, clubs, knives, or a gun. It's about personal responsibility, something that doesn't get mentioned. :banghead:

Because of this, from the front pages of the latest NRA magazine. Some people want to engage in close quarters battle such as in schools, theaters, nightclubs ,urban areas and from cars. They call these "modern sporting weapons" but I am unclear on what "sport" they are talking about .

Have you ever heard of " Three Gun Action "? And if you need a weapon to defend in close quarters maybe that is the one to have. Bruce, everyone here knows you'd like to pick and chose what type of gun American citizens should be able to own. It's the same crap anti gunners preach all the time. They're semi autos and you don't like the way they look. It's not the gun, it's the person behind it.

Paul I know. Some people just have to have modern sporting weapon assault rifles to prepare for the coming apocalypse, police that don't act the way they should, urban dwellers who drive out from the city to rob and pillage, Democrats in office, and Godless elected officials. Also I realize there are those hunters who feel compelled to empty a 15 round magazine at a deer or coyote as it runs across a pasture.

Who am I to deny those people their God given right to own any gun or weapon they chose up to and including 50 cal machine guns and hand grenades?

I have personal experience with 20mm gatling guns with explosive shells. Now those would really do a job on those who threaten, real or imaginary, a person's lifestyle.

The AR platform has been around for 50 some years, and now all of a sudden because some left wing liberal democrats want to call it an assault weapon means there's something wrong with them is complete nonsense. After the 1st WW all the returning GIs used bolt actions because that's what they were used to. After the 2nd WW everyone wanted a M1, because that's what they were use to. After Naum the men started turning to ARs because that's what they were used to. Many home defense instructors like the AR because it's short, easy to handle, and no recoil. They recommend them to be kept in the bedroom where even a woman can handle one with ease. And if there's three or four intruders a 30 round magazine will take care of them. When did the subject change to machine guns or hand grenades ? And I never said anything about what is in your first paragraph, it's just your weak attempt to reinforce your anti gun attitude. What about swords, knives, or trucks ? They all have been used recently for assaults - you want to ban them also ? What it boils down to is you don't like guns with large magazines. If a Republican doesn't like something, he doesn't buy it. If a Democrat doesn't like something, he wants to outlaw it so no one can buy it. Guess that's the difference between us.

The anti gun crowd would like to chip away at our 2nd Amendment rights. First outlaw some type of weapon, then maybe large capacity magazines, then maybe high taxes on ammo. Each time we'll loose some gun owners and pretty soon where won't be enough to fight them. Then we'll look like England or Australia. If we don't stand together we won't have anything to stand for. Either you're pro gun, or anti gun. If you don't like the way a gun looks, or the size of the magazine, and like to see then outlawed, then you're doing what the anti gunners want and you might as well call yourself anti gun. I do. It's black and white. There's no in between. The NRA is the only reason any of us own a gun today.

Ahem...
With all due respect to the various posters, please allow me to offer a solution this problem via some judicious alteration of the US Constitution's 2nd Amendment:

ORIGINALLY:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

ALTERNATIVELY:
A well demonized and maligned militia, being UNnecessary to the security of a police state, the right of the people to keep and, with government approval, bear Federally-approved and aesthetically threatening arms, shall occasionally be infringed at the discretion of the President and/or Department of Justice.

Do I hear any takers? Oh... perhaps one...

Paul, I don't see it the way you do---but that's okay. This one was lost long ago. Cultural change in democratic societies i.e. chewing and spitting tobacco, smoking in public places and currently vociferous social unrest with inequality.

Black and white may have worked in the Wild West. Our countries are changing at almost light speed. Finding accommodation for Reason is worrying multicultural worlds where isolation and leave-me-alone isn't the answer.

You are correct about the NRA playing the strongest role to protect US shooting interests in the money game. Political parties are unreliable. All the more reason to be wary of introducing arbitrary loyalty injunctions which divide our shooting fraternities.

We didn't do this in Canada and the result was reasonably satisfactory. We're a different culture, a different country and, looking at the circus south these days, whatever Canada is the US isn't. Sticking together is key.

The one thing that separates us on this issue King, is that almost two-and-a-half centuries ago we chose to no longer be 'subjects' of the Realm but to be citizen soldiers, never again to be oppressed. And to never give up our arms... to anybody or any government.






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As leading member of the British Commonwealth, Canada did similarly, Dean, and you and I are not separated as gun owners in our concerns for oppression and freedom. Canada's history of responsible citizenship, valour and sacrifice takes a back seat to none.

Canada developed differently from the US with an unforeseen consequence of a strong belief in our governance and institutions, not fearing responsible government---which Nova Scotia gave to the British North American colonies long ago.

The ballot worked wonderfully as expressions of a majority. No need for hoarding bullets for peace and good order of government as expressed this week on the other distinguished board. Those who don't believe in their country don't remain as citizens of a great nation.

Proof will be November. Americans believe in their country---and the ballot.

I have yet to fall into the AR pit !

Although I have been contemplating a Stag Model 7 in 6.8 SPC for a few years . An AR-10 with two uppers one in 260 or 7-08 and a 338 Federal would also be nice .

But those rifles would be more for play and or enjoyment if I was ever to pull the trigger and actually buy .

For home defense I have the same two M1 Carbines that have been in the family for 50 plus years and a couple thousand rounds of factory ammo I've been picking up here and there when Jerry's or some other distributer had a good deal going :whistle:

I've been more intrested in adding to my powder primer and shot collection . Projectiles for my rifles are pretty flush at the moment . Plenty jacketed stuff for my long range rifles and plenty lead and molds for my cast bullet shooters .

Mr King,

How do you see it...? You don't live in the US, yet you expect us to take what you say as gospel :eek: Didn't you folks up in Canada have a gun registering law that cost the taxpayers ungodly amounts of money and if I remember you "agreed with that Law" and then the law got repealed .... !
I don't know you, but I haven't ever seen you post a comment about how to, or history about Parker shotguns or any other vintage shotgun on this board or others, so I ask you when it comes to politics can you keep your comments to yourself unless it's about Canada as I don't feel you have the right to discuss our rights and our Constitution.. :nono: Sorry Eric

Moderators, If I stepped over the edge go ahead and delete my post, but I am getting very tired of people outside of the USA telling me and my government what to do when they have no skin in the game....Eric
Mr King,

As a long-time contributor to the board, I can say there's no need to apologize to anyone for your post in general discussions etc. Nor is there an injunction of any kind for Canadians or any other nationality to post within the rules on this international board.

A previous federal government responding to a madman's massacre of female engineering students in Montreal imposed with its majority a gun registry which the succeeding federal government reversed with its majority because of its unfairness and ungodly cost.

I travel a lot and have lots of conversations in the US and overseas with Americans of every political stripe and conviction. A distinctive part of those conversations is almost invariably the comment from the Americans, "I wish we could talk this way at home."

This board is my home, Eric, with rights for me as other members. The fact that the US has been so polarized by its politics that citizens aren't talking to each other is no reason to migrate that nonsense to the board. Parker owners are better than that---and that's gospel!

[QUOTE=Eric Eis;199801 ...I am getting very tired of people outside of the USA telling me and my government what to do when they have no skin in the game....Eric [/QUOTE]

A prescient thought.

Kind of like François Hollande of France?

Who has inserted himself into the US election without invitation... And whose nation was overrun and occupied by a hostile foreign power twice within the 20th Century, alone. And is now losing scores of innocent residents and tourists to murderous "other invaders" on a weekly basis?

French gun laws really work! Or truck laws. Or knife laws...

Yep. Those of foreign geniuses sure know what's good for America...

I'm sorry Mr. King, you are not even a member of the PGCA ("This board is my home, Eric, with rights for me as other member"),you have never helped anyone on the board with a Parker or double gun question. If and when I see you post to members questions about how to or what is this, instead of only your politics I might believe you, but I don't see that ! As to this board being your "Home" as you call it I haven't seen you post anything in regards to Parkers or side by sides.

One doesn't have to be a PGCA member to feel at home in its forums, Eric. The Association welcomes participants to the board, whether paying annual and life members or not. The Association makes no distinction regarding participation aside from identifying membership status with posts. I've been both, an annual member and (mistakenly) life member with words emblazoned in gold in 1993 when the current PGCA was formed.

Your obligation to believe me is clear, in your own words, "if and when I see you post to members questions about how to or what is this . . ." Firstly, I observe Association rules to not engage in politics. Secondly. I contribute about guns when I can, only last week on Chris Dawe's splendid project.

You are also wrong to make less of me as "not even a member of the PGCA" as if only continuing annual-paying PGCA members have standing in these forums. PGCA doesn't administer its mandate so narrowly of sharing information. I've accepted your understanding now, with thanks.

ok

two countries - two traditions,
i doubt this is going to change any minds


and really----what the heck does this have to do with shotshell reloading

King, in a previous post you said -" We're a different culture, a different country and, looking at the circus south these days, whatever Canada is the US isn't. Sticking together is key. " I would rather " live in the circus south " any day and in any other country. Just so we understand, the international homicide rate is 4.9 per 100,000. The US rate is 2.9 per 100,000. We rate #28 in the world. I've seen your post on other boards and it's about the same as here. As far as I'm concerned, you can keep your Canadian guns views to yourself and sit back and watch the circus unfold between us Americans.

Could not have said it better Paul.
I guess you and I just don't like ..... what's the word we are searching for , oh yeah "Troll". Mr Brown your add nothing to this board, you just stir the pot, and yes King I l looked at your previous posts and as I said before you have not added any information or asked/answered a legitimate question about Parkers or double guns on this board. What I have read about you on other boards I guess is true. And I just realized Mr. Brown that you sucessfully baited me into this argument so I will not respond to you on this thread anymore, and hopefully you will stay in Canada and keep your opinions about gun control in the US to yourself as this is the US and not Canada, and as I have said before you have no skin or rights in this game....