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Craig Larter 05-02-2016 06:55 PM

What is your favorite grade and period for engraving?
 
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My favorite are the early AH's from the 1890's with the multiple birds and animals with the lightly cut tight scroll, the CEP guns are representative of this period. What say you?

Greg Baehman 05-02-2016 08:36 PM

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What you've shown Craig is hard to argue with, but my nominee for favorite grade are CHEs from about 1905 having Rondel-style engraving. Someone awhile back posted a pic of a Parker that had double Rondels on both sides of the receiver (might have been a B-grade) that really turned my crank, hopefully they'll post it again, but for now here's a nice example of a CHE with single Rondels:

Craig Larter 05-02-2016 08:56 PM

Greg I must agree the rondel engraved guns are special and I sure wouldn't turn down a nice example.

Robin Lewis 05-02-2016 08:58 PM

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I like the style used on some of the older Parker lifter guns. They are less busy but finely executed that include a combination of scroll and wildlife scenes.

Mills Morrison 05-02-2016 09:08 PM

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I may be alone in this, but I like the Grade 2's and particularly the early Grade 2 hammerless Parkers. I like that they are simple and yet have game engraving

John Davis 05-02-2016 09:11 PM

I agree with Robin. D lifters and above.

charlie cleveland 05-02-2016 09:25 PM

just to purty to choose from....but i am kinda like mills the lower grades are really nice...charlie

Mills Morrison 05-02-2016 09:56 PM

I kind of like the underdogs.

Jerry Smith had an early AH that is to die for.

Dean Romig 05-02-2016 11:40 PM

I believe I have handled and examined that AH that Jerry had/has. You should buy that gun Mills... Jerry would be very pleased.






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Craig Larter 05-03-2016 06:54 AM

Jerry sold his early A at the Southern, I do not know who the buyer was.

David Dwyer 05-03-2016 08:05 AM

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I love em all, but the AHE's from the mid teens with the semi deep engraving are fantastic

Dean Romig 05-03-2016 08:49 AM

Good for Jerry. An awful lot of people looked at that AH.
It had seen a lot of use and was obviously somebody's favorite gun. I wish I could have seen it when it was new - it presents a lot more questions than it answers.





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Mills Morrison 05-03-2016 08:54 AM

Unfortunately, that was out of my budget. I first saw it at the Fall Southern and it was still available in Baltimore. I was surprised it had not sold. Like Dean says, it was well used, but had a nice patina to it.

Gary Carmichael Sr 05-03-2016 09:40 AM

Engraving
 
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I like the early hammer guns, the engraving in that period is just great, Gary

Bill Murphy 05-03-2016 10:11 AM

I think Gary's new B 20 has spoiled us for most other engraved Parkers.

Bill Holcombe 05-04-2016 03:56 PM

http://parkerguns.org/forums/attachm...1&d=1445261846

I am a big fan of the engraving done on DHs in the early 20s such as this gun Brian Dudley sold. I love the look of the dogs. I would probably have higher grades I liked, but I choose to stick to the guns I can somewhat afford to covet.

Rich Anderson 05-04-2016 04:15 PM

Greg that C grade looks very familiar.

CraigThompson 05-04-2016 05:44 PM

I suppose you can say I've evolved into a EH/GH Grade 2 person especially the earlier EH/GH style .

An EH from 1889 .

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And an 1884 Grade 2 .

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Dean Romig 05-04-2016 06:12 PM

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My recently acquired DHE 16 made in the heyday of hammerless engraving No. 163160

And if you've ever wondered where the term "flying turnips" came from, the engraving on this floor plate should answer your questions.



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Dean Romig 05-04-2016 06:17 PM

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Periods of distinctly different styles of engraving is exemplified here in dogs (decidedly male) attributed to Frederick Anschutz (or someone who studied under his influence)... also on a DH but after about 1920 of so right up to 1930 when Anschutz passed away.



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Chris Travinski 05-04-2016 08:45 PM

I had a DHE in the high 179,000 range that had beautiful deep engraving similar to Dean's. I have always liked the D grades of that era.

Dave Suponski 05-04-2016 09:57 PM

Small world Dean...My GHE 30" 16 gauge is 163195 They were in the shop together. This isn't the first time we did this.....

Dean Romig 05-04-2016 10:01 PM

Is it mere coincidence or is it.... :eek:






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Steve Cambria 05-05-2016 01:47 PM

I couldn't agree more gentlemen! Hard to resist those "D's" especially the woody, piquant afterglow of vintage 1914 specimens. :nono::whistle::nono:

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Robin Lewis 05-05-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Cambria (Post 194680)
I couldn't agree more gentlemen! Hard to resist those "D's" especially the woody, piquant afterglow of vintage 1914 specimens. :nono::whistle::nono:

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Wow, it may not be a Parker but that is one nice gun!

Daryl Corona 05-05-2016 06:45 PM

Don't get too excited Robin, it's only a Fox. But a very nice one at that.:bowdown:

charlie cleveland 05-05-2016 10:24 PM

yes sir a nice one for sure...charlie

Rich Anderson 05-06-2016 09:05 AM

I like my new Fox, AKA "The Growler" If it quits raining here I'll get in some more practice with it before Hausmanns. Next week it goes to the Pigeon ring at Pauls shoot.

MARK KIRCHER 05-06-2016 09:55 AM

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Here are a couple cell phone pics (poor quality sorry) of my 1890 AH #59517 - CEP gun. I tried to get a shot of Mr. Gough's signature. honestly it is not my favorite type of engraving - I do prefer the deeper cuts and love to see a rondel, but I do stare at this gun. With 10 dogs and numerous birds there is much to revisit when I pick it up.

David Dwyer 05-06-2016 10:33 AM

Mark
I love Gough's dogs-very distinctive. The ones on the AHE 16ga I posted are very similar. Was that gun once Larry Fry's then to TN to you?
David

Bill Murphy 05-06-2016 10:47 AM

Steve Cambria, (toolman) is one sick puppy. I think it's about time the Fox and Parker guys schedule some match shoots between individual shooters, like the old days. :corn::corn::corn:

MARK KIRCHER 05-06-2016 10:49 AM

David -

I do not know the answer to that although I do not believe so. This gun sat at Orvis for at least 8-10 years. I have found posts on this site about it (type in serial number) from Austin Hogan and others. They had priced it for the economy at that time (20 -25K). It gradually worked itself down to an affordable level. I have exchanged numerous emails with the widow of the owner. She is a wonderful person and I expect I would have enjoyed shaking hands with her late husband. They are from the northeast - not Tennessee.

Mark

George M. Purtill 06-06-2016 04:26 PM

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Here is a Gough gun that just sold at Amoskeag last Saturday. It's a Columbian Exposition gun, an AH that is now an AHE. Gough signed all 3 major panels. When it came back from the World's Fair in 1893, it was sold to a fellow in Connecticut.

Rick Losey 06-06-2016 04:58 PM

wow

Dean Romig 06-06-2016 08:25 PM

I went to Amoskeag last week for the sole purpose of examining that Parker AHE.
The engraving is about 'over the top' as we would expect to see on a Gough engraved exhibition gun - simply breath-taking!






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greg conomos 06-06-2016 09:58 PM

I like engraving...in that it adds a great deal to a gun's appearance when taken as part of the gun. But I've never been able to just sit and pore over engraving.

That said, I like the deeper cut, non-dog/elk/bird patterns that place more emphasis on layout and symmetry.

Michael Moffa 06-06-2016 11:40 PM

Does anybody know how many CHE roundels were made?

Dean Romig 06-06-2016 11:56 PM

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The style of engraving is not generally listed in the stock books, or at least not often enough to accurately assess the quantity made.

I agree that the roundel style is especially attractive.


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Chuck Bishop 06-07-2016 12:16 AM

The AHE sold at Amoskeag is only one of many $300 dollar guns shipped to the Columbian Exposition in Chicago. The shipment was over 100 guns, many $200, $150, and $100 dollar guns too. It would be great to compare the engravings on these guns if we could get members who own these guns to show pictures of them. Did Gough engrave all of these guns and were they all unique in there style and format? Parker must have started building these guns well in advance of the Exposition. You can't build these guns overnight.

Bill Jolliff 06-07-2016 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MARK KIRCHER (Post 194746)
Here are a couple cell phone pics (poor quality sorry) of my 1890 AH #59517 - CEP gun. I tried to get a shot of Mr. Gough's signature. honestly it is not my favorite type of engraving - I do prefer the deeper cuts and love to see a rondel, but I do stare at this gun. With 10 dogs and numerous birds there is much to revisit when I pick it up.

I got to handle Mark's AH in the parking lot at the NE Classic at Hausmann's last Friday afternnon after the shooting was over. An absolutely gorgeous gun with a very special and neat top rib feature.

That parking lot Social hour turned into a fabulous Show ‘n Tell where all manner of some great Parkers, some Fox’s and I think a Smith or two were pulled out of cases and shared with the gang. Some really nice guns were passed around. It sure was a highlight for me. Thanks Gents.


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