Questions of possible Skeet Parker
 

I have a gun set aside until I return home next week. I did et a letter which is most helpful but I still have a number of questions. I am posting some pictures for your review and feedback. The gun was transferred to the VP of sales for Reminton J G Heath. The SN is 238331. Listed as a straight grip stock, but clearly it has a Capped Pistol grip. Also chokes and trigger not listed. Your thoughts on the few pictures I have is http://parkerguns.org/forums/images/...attach/jpg.gif

Phil
I have never personally seen the IN and OUT marked like that. However, this is only 2200 guns after the Remington takeover. So who knows?
The stock data for that period is somewhat unreliable.
I would buy that gun all day long.
Can I use some of your pictures for my upcoming article on Remington guns?

First time I have ever seen "OUT" and "IN" stamped on the barrel flats. But a 1935 gun is right on the cusp of Remington Parker skeet guns, so why not? The game of "Skeet" was named in 1926 but 'shooting round the clock' was being promoted a couple of years earlier.

The configuration is that of a skeet gun though... 26", single trigger, beavertail...

Have you actually measured the choke constrictions?

I wonder what the "D" stamped in the trigger guard channel signifies....





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I am not sure what that stamp is- looks like a Minion to me.

Does it have a hard rubber butt plate or a checkered butt?

Looks like it has loads of color and condition.

We want to see more of this gun when it's yours!!






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Unfortunately I had to go to Mexico for my business and before I could bring down my Skeet bore and choke are. I will get a look at the gun and pick it up next week sometime. George you can sure use any pictures I have. I currently have 3 Remington era guns and access to 2 others. I would be happy to send you any pictures you would like.

Also thanks for the clarification on the Minion, I was lookin at it differently and thought it was a Pacman. LOL

Parker shotgun, serial number 238331, was sent to J.G. Heath of the Remington Arms Co. and shipped February 11, 1936. According to the Remington IBM Card, it was a VHE hammerless, 12 gauge. It featured Vulcan steel barrels with a length of 26 inches.

According to Stock Book No. 82, the stock was a straight grip and a trap modified forend. The frame size was 1 ½. The stock dimensions, chokes, and butt treatment are not listed in the stock book.

The price listed in the XXXXX price list for a VHE grade with single trigger was $129.00 plus $14.85 for a trap modified forend.

​Parker Bros., Remington Arms Company Inc. and others repaired and reconfigured guns as a major part of the gun trade. Over the years, this Parker may have undergone changes to suit its owners, either at the factory or other competent facility. Complete factory return and repair records do not exist therefore our research team cannot comment, report, or have any responsibility for work performed. It is important to note that those Parker records remaining are hand written and show considerable fading from their age. The research committee has done its best to interpret and report our findings in answer to this request and assumes no responsibility for the recorded accuracy or other work completed.

It sports a Jostam pad. Will definitly post pictures.

Last picture.
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Normally a Parker "Skeet" gun has the tighter choke, Skeet "Out" in the right barrel and Skeet "In", the more open choke in the left barrel. The reason is the first shot on the skeet field is a high house going away and the second shot a low house incoming bird.

This gun appears to be choked in the normal fashion of less choke in the right barrel "IN" and more choke in the left "OUT".

My opinion is that that is a pistol grip stock.

Yes it is most definitly a Pistol grip, does it look like factoty work?

I have 238330 only one gun off from yours. Mine is listed as having a trap modified forearm like yours. Could you post pictures of your forearm for comparisons purposes.

Mine is a straight grip single trigger with a nice stick of black feather crotch.

I will post next week when I return home. I still have lots of questions on this gun. Would enjoy seeing pictures of your gun.

That is absolutely factory work. In fact, it appears to have the "trap" or 'heavy' comb we rarely see but which are common to competition trap and skeet guns.

This late Parker also has the "Trap" comb.


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Parker shotgun, serial number 238331, was sent to J.G. Heath of the Remington Arms Co. and shipped February 11, 1936. According to the Remington IBM Card, it was a VHE hammerless, 12 gauge. It featured Vulcan steel barrels with a length of 26 inches.

According to Stock Book No. 82, the stock was a straight grip and a trap modified forend. The frame size was 1 ½. The stock dimensions, chokes, and butt treatment are not listed in the stock book.

My thoughts are that possible the VP of sales may have had a buyer that wanted a PG?

Or there is an error in the records.

Example: I have a Grade 4 made in 1884 with 30" Bernard barrels. The gun is all original.... The research letter shows the gun as having been made with 30" Damascus barrels. Chuck even double-checked for me but couldn't find anything mentioning Bernard barrels.





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Either way, it sure is a crisp looking Parker. If you decide you don't want it, I'll take it. Next time I get brussel sprouts, you can have mine.

Thank you Greg Im pretty sure she is going home with me. Fits me great. Just hoping to learn as much as I can. Chasing guns is like chasing birds, the fun is in the hunt.

Here's information on 238330. It was also ordered by Heath. As you can see it is a optioned up gun. Straight grip with the heavy trap comb, single trigger, Modified Trap Forearm, checkered butt, twin ivories etc. The interesting thing is the gun has all the makings of a skeet gun except the constrictions are .028" on each bore & not marked on the flats.

Here's some pic's:

More pic's of 238330 Notice the letter doesn't mention the straight grip or butt treatment. The serialization book does list it has having the straight grip though.

Does anyone have any information on J.G Heath ?

Here's another Remington Parker for your article. S/N 239189, 1936. 26" 1-1/2 frame. The pad has a thin glued on leather covering on the butt. 1-1/2" DAC, 2-1/2" DAH, which makes it the flattest Parker I have. Very nice little gun. Best shooting shotgun for me that I've ever owned. I killed I think it was 54 birds in a day at a Utah preserve with it once.

Phil, that gun you have on hold is gorgeous and looks to be worth whatever you have to pay for it. And it's littermate 330 is stunning to say the least.

Sure some nice looking Parkers

Here is the butt of 241412 which is also a 12 ga 1-1/2 frame

The limited knowledge i have been able to find on J G Heath is he was a competative trap shooter at one point and was the VP of sales for Remington in the 30's.

Thanks for the information on Heath !

Last I knew, "Young" Jack Heath was still the Remington historian. Art Wheaton would know. Google shows Jack Heath passing away in 2014. The "Older" Jack Heath also worked for Remington.

Back late tomorrow with a scheduled pick up Friday morning. Will post more pictures. Just one question were these selective single triggers?

Yes

Most were.

I believe Ed Muderlak had a skeet gun with double triggers, a 20ga possibly.

Picked up the gun this afternoon will start posting some pictures.


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